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Cornsnake Breeding Question

IndyShark Sep 07, 2003 10:50 AM

I am having a ball with my four new cornsnakes. I have a male bloodred (Mars), and a female hypo (Pandora), ghost (Spirit) and motley sunglow (Sauron).

I bought all of my snakes from South Mountain, and I am very pleased so far. Don Soderberg is great to deal with. I highly recommend him for anyone who wants to pick a few more pretty corns.

When I called Don, I told him I wanted a bloodred, ghost, and motley sunglow and I asked him for his advice on the sex ratio. He recommended getting a male bloodred and the rest female, which I did.

Now perhaps I misunderstood him, but he said the second generation bloodredXghost would be really nice. I think he mentioned I could get a bloodred ghost. I have no idea what that is, but Don said they are really hot right now.

I know a bloodredXghost will give normals, het bloodred, het ghost. (It will won't it?) If I cross the F1's, what will I get in the second generation? I assume I will get normals, ghosts, bloodreds and bloodredghosts?

Thanks!

Replies (3)

aplaxco Sep 08, 2003 11:41 AM

I could be totally wrong here because I am just trying to learn this stuff myself, but I thought bloodred was not a simple recessive trait meaning that even F1 will look different from normal corns, but not quite like a full bloodred. Isn't that what they call an 'outcrossed bloodred'? I could be way off base but I am interested to know if someone out there experienced with bloodreds has time to answer.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek and Boo
0.1 Amel - Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.0 Siamese - Blue
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

Paul Hollander Sep 09, 2003 01:35 PM

>I know a bloodredXghost will give normals, het bloodred, het ghost. (It will won't it?) If I cross the F1's, what will I get in the second generation? I assume I will get normals, ghosts, bloodreds and bloodredghosts?

Ghost is a combination of two independent recessive mutants, hypomelanistic and anerythristic. Het ghost is slang. The most accurate wording is heterozygous hypomelanistic, heterozygous anerythristic. IOW, bloodred x ghost will give normals that are heterozygous bloodred (the pattern), heterozygous hypomelanistic, heterozygous anerythristic.

AFAIK, bloodred morph is a deep, dark red with an uncheckered belly and diffuse markings on the back and sides. Unfortunately, the recessive mutant that produces the diffuse markings and uncheckered belly is also called bloodred. So I will try to distinguish between the two by referring to them as bloodred the color and bloodred the pattern.

AFAIK, nobody knows how bloodred the color is inherited. My impression is that it's likely to be produced by several genes with an additive effect on the red. So crossing a bloodred morph to a normal corn is likely to produce redder than normal (but not as red as a bloodred) in the first generation (F1 generation). Mating two of the F1s could produce normal and bloodred colored snakes, but is more likely to produce just about any shade of red between those two extremes. Selective breeding should be able to recover bloodred the color in a few generations.

As hypomelanistic, anerythristic, and bloodred the pattern are recessive mutants, crossing a pair of F1s that are hterozygous for all three will produce babies that are normal, hypomelanistic, anerythristic, bloodred the pattern, hypomelanistic and anerythristic (ghost), hypomelanistic and bloodred the pattern, anerythristic and bloodred the pattern, and (last but not least) hypomelanistic and anerythristic and bloodred the pattern.

You might want to get hold of Mick Spencer's Corn Snake Progeny Predictor Program (for Windows machines). It won't help with bloodred the color but should help with all the rest of the mutants.

Paul Hollander

IndyShark Sep 09, 2003 08:59 PM

Thanks Paul. I have the software you mentioned, but as you point out, the bloodred confuses things.

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