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this is sort of directed at jeff and dave, what are your reasons for breeding? Ie i understand if you breed bambam for his colour, or a hypo, fluffy etc, your trying to further the genetics of a particular colour or morph. But what about all the other pairings, do you have set plans of what you want to achieve? Is it for the resale of the babies?
I guess im just curious, as i have 2 females ready to go, but im not sure i will breed them. If i do, it will be to better my knowledge of breeding husbandary, but i would also have to be sure i would be able to secure homes for all the offspring.
Thoughts?
Cheers
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

My main reason for breeding is I'm having soooo much fun!!! I love finding the lil heads poking up outa the slime!!!!

But you more likely mean why I breed one specific animal to another.

In some ways that is a very tough question and one I puzzle over each year. "Who to pair up with who" Yeah the obvious ones are morph related and how to properly propogate the morph. Beyond that I have two basic thoughts. When I find a pairing that "works" ie produces great looking babies, if feasible, I will repeat that pairing to make more.

For new breeders and/or proven breeders not already paired up due to various reasons, I look at color, crescents, pattern and contrast looking for animals that will complement each other. My end goal is not to just produce lotsa babies, even though I do produce lotsa babies in the process. My end goal is to produce babies I would want to keep (if I had the room). Bright vibrant colors, bold crescents, various patterns etc.

I like to work out the puzzle of getting what I want like a Pearl Bam Bam!!! You know somewhere down the line Bam Bam will be bred to a pearl towards that end result!!!

And I will be the first to admit, selling the babies is fun. I have people tracking me down to get their hands on one (or more) of my babies. And I get to chat snake with each and every one!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

yeah i guess thats what i was asking. I guess it different for you guys in the states, you can wholesale your animals out. I cant there isnt a market here. I guess i will be able to take them to Hamm or Houten the 2 big euro shows.
within 2 years, there is probably over 10planned breedings i will attempt, even if half of them arent succesfull, its still a lot of babies to sell on. And almost of them will be a morph or het.
Dave, did you have any breedings, that were purely for babies, ie nothing special about them, and just to have 20 more babies to sell?
Cheers
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

Well, I guess you could say that but not really. I look at who is available in a given year, which females are old enough and not being given the year off. From those available females I first pick out my obvious pairings/groups. For example this year the two blush phase I kept in 2006 will be paired together as a 1.1 pair. I also had some killer looking litters this year - repeating some of those pairings for sure!!! Once all the obvious ones are done I start working out my not so obvious ones. Obviously the hotter females are being paired with the hotter males. As it gets down to fewer animals left there is less concern about which ones to group together.

And yeah, I have tons of outlets for my babies. Very few went wholesale this year since the overall quality was soooo high, most went directly to individual customers.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I have read your post and the replies thus far and have been pondering similar questions as well about my own situation. I work in the companion animal care field and have done so since 1985 as a veterinary technician. My entire life revolves around common pets (cats and dogs) and the people who care for them. Since I was a little girl I clearly showed an interest in creatures, particularly rehabilitation of the ill and injured. I do not agree with indiscriminate breeding of cats or dogs....is is evident in my choosing mixed-breed dogs and cats unwanted by anyone but me. All my personal companion pets have always been spayed or neutered at appropriate ages and NEVER have I paid a single penny to purchase any of them. Just to give you some background.....I currently keep 2 dogs and 10 indoor only cats. 2 cats live outside that I am committed to for their lifetime, and I maintain a semi-feral colony of cats here at my house that consists of 12 to 15 more, fed daily and provided shelter and medical services on an as need basis. Since none of the ferals can be touched they get trapped and spayed/neutered and vaccinated and then re-released. At my main job I am responsible for the care and treatment of the the hospitalized pets from simple things as client education on training to coordination of the employees to successfully run an always busy veterinary practice. I do everything except surgery and diagnostics (which I cannot legally do although I have the skill). My other 2 jobs also involves management of 12 creatures.

If I include the the 2 PRB's that arrived today, I am keeping 19 snakes. (I have sold just as many in the last 2 yrs or so....not including babies.) It all started with a little corn snake snake I kept for 12-13 yrs. I saw some BRB's when I bought that first corn and was told they were just to difficult to keep for someone with no experience, and they were mean as **it. They absolutely fascinated me and I could never get them off my someday list. One of our local pet stores had a 1.1 not so nice looking pair for sale and I bought them as adults that wouldn't produce in ?? '02. Before I had them a year they mated and then produced their first litter. I was hooked, it was one of the most awesome things I ever witnessed. I quickly bought many more with the intent of breeding. Little dollar signs influenced me although at the time, I didn't think money was a factor. I quickly realized that this "hobby" could actually break even and not cost much more than my time. Everything was so exciting and new to me. This breeding thing is supposed to be difficult, yet it happened for me with no intention (although I did keep a male and female together and took care of them as best as I knew). Don't get me wrong....the first time those little heads stretched out and popped out of that membrane is like seeing a dinosaur come to life before your very eyes. Almost made me think I did it, not the snakes doing their normal thing. Addicted....like a good safe drug.

Since then and 4 or 5 litters my perspective is evolving. I don't know where it will end up. I absolutely hate spending hours and hours talking with individuals who put me through a bunch of motions trying to sell them something they probably don't need and aren't willing to do what I think they should. I found a few places to wholesale off the majority of the individuals in the litters my snakes produced. Seemed like a good deal for me....drop them off for inspection and take a check to the bank. No worries about all that shipping and making the final decisions. Truth is I still worried. It would probably be different if I had a single snake friend or shows came to Lubbock. There is not a single person who cares anything about what I love to do in regards to keeping snakes. No one to talk snakes to, no one interested in any aspect of snake keeping other than someone who tells me they killed a rattlesnake with a hoe or think they are evil. I'm all alone with the exception of places like this forum or the folks at the the pet store who all think they know all the answers because it was published in a book. Certainly, I have lots to learn and do not claim to be anyone else besides one who is fascinated by these creatures.

I keep BRB's, PRB's, Hog Islands and Corn Island Boas. I would not be able to say no to some Womas, GTP's, or Ambilobe Panther Chameleons given the opportunity. Pearl Island's boas would be on that list to. For me, I think the biggest factors are ego and greed.. I can't really explain it otherwise. My Hogs should be ready to breed this season....female is 4 yrs and the male 2 yrs. I still haven't put them together although they are being cooled, because I am concerned that one MAY not be a representative specimen of the standard. According to all I can find everything is good....do I really what to do that? Don't know for sure. I can not guarantee that they won't be mixed back into the general boa culture of BCI during their lifetimes? Does it even matter? It's already been done. Should I breed the Corns to the Hogs?? Don't think I've seen Coggs or Horns before....I could be the first? They should be good-looking dwarf size boas with an incredible ability to change colors? Wouldn't that be cool? Maybe you could be the first to own one. You could add a new dimension to all your BCI projects. Strange as it seems to me, such a boa would probably be worth more money (greed/ego) than a purebred animal. An example would be a Labradoodle at 2500$ where as the parents are only worth 200$ and 250$ individually. A totally unpredictable outcome of offspring. But, wouldn't that be fun? I am amazed how these days a mixed breed dog is worth 3 times the amount of either of their parents. Don't know if the snakes follow the dogs, or the dogs follow the snakes. I'm not above doing such things....sold off some PRB's as plain ole epicrates cenchria. Just makes me wonder why I am so against it in dogs, yet so willing to entertain similar practices in my snakes.

Gosh, I'm really going on and on about nothing. Let me summarize and shut the **ck up. I believe in promoting the best (lots of variation here) of each breeding. Be responsible....whatever you choose to do affects many more individuals than you think for generations to come. Keep your intentions always for the betterment of your species and the love of it. Keep greed and ego under control, where and if possible. Enjoy yourself, we only live once.

Linda

P.S.
Brick1,
Keep questioning....I think you are doing a great job. Best of luck to you.

Great reply.... a little rambling though

I do agree with the bottom line, not the production just to produce.

SELECTIVE BREEDING!!!

And I'm available any time you want (need?) to talk snake!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

thanks Dave,

Definately rambled....got some stuff I'm working my way through.

Linda

BTW.....couldn't find breeding BCI on your site.

Scroll down on the breedings page. Below this years BRB list is this years BCI list. Of course that's last years planned pairings. Need to load in a new table at top with the current pairings.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

you planning on your same pairing again, to produce another Luna the moonglow. Or do you have some new snakes up to size, that will give you better odds. Not like you having hard luck with odds lately though By the way, with just het animals, what your odds for triple homozygous animal, is it 1 in 32?
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

Yeah, running that pairing again but it's not triple homozygous. I'm breeding a DH Snow x TH Moonglow, a total of 5 available morph genes and if all present - Luna! And yes, those odds are 1/32
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

for your response, and i think you are as good as rambling along as me
guess my questions, are for me own piece of mind, or just trying to work out things in my head. I go thru the ball pythons forums everyday, and some of the stuff produced, will im just not sure why they bother.
Ok i get it if your a small breeder, say buying an albino and a het, you want to produce something that helps repay what you spent originally, but when i see the big breeders, say offering a normal 50%het pied for example, i just wonder why they are bothering with it, is it for cash or what? where is the limit, ok yes i understand there is plenty of normals left over from co dom breedings, but you get what im saying.
Im relatively new to the whole reptile scene, but i think i have learnt a lot quite quickly, so sorry if i ask all the weird questions, but thats what i like about the rainbow forum. You can ask what you want. Haha not like the ball forum, basically people put up a pic of there new multi million dollar (will except trades) quadruple co dom, double recessive new mutant, everyone says well done, then the next day, someone got a new one up
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

Breeding for genetic morphs.

Quite often, even for the big breeders, it's desireable to breed hets together on the odds of getting one or more specific outcomes even though low odds.

Using my Hypo BRB project....

In order to produce some unrelated genetically strong animals, I'm planning on breeding some het x het combinations. The Hypos from those pairings will be invaluable to me as breeding tools. Unfortunately there will also be many possible hets produced. It'd be wrong to put em down so what to do....market them as possibles, sell them as normals, wholesale them out and be done with it?? some good and bad with each...

Market them as possibles. probably slow moving and not much more than normal

Sell at normal price - others would produce some qty of hypo's from those babies

Wholesale out - least likely to produce hypo's as many would end up in pet stores etc.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

does it not de value your projects you think, when you start producing poss hets? I know for my collection, and given that i cant produce too many, and dont want to. I plan to produce just a one viable clutch from each of my het hypo pairs, then hold back hypo babies, to cross into the other hets. I will hopefully produce poss hets, in terms of 100% het anery, 50% het hypo, but i fiqure that a bit different.

was more getting at say the normal 50% poss het pieds you see, dont get the point
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

I would agree it's much better to make hets and visuals only. Your plan is solid and very similar to mine, very few het x het breedings each one to produce a specific hypo animal.

I had totally missed the 50% thing, now I get it and mostly agree, to get a 50% het it means breeding a het to a normal. For a small time breeder would be an inexpensive way to get there. From one het male produce a litter of possible hets to be bred back to the father. But we are talking Pied BP, did you know there is a marker for the trait? Not sure what percentage accurate, if memory serves, those that have it are very likely to be (if not certainly) hets. Those that do not still could be. AGAIN, I'm not up on this so DO NOT quote me

If that is true, it would make sense to breed het to normal and keep back all females with markers.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>It'd be wrong to put em down so what to do....

Jack would be happy to take them off your hands...

Sorry, couldn't resist that.

Congrats on all the nice litters and breeding activity, btw.
I've been offline for a while, haven't had much free time
to post.

Thanks,
Ed

LOL, first off it aint gonna happen. But if it would, could you afford the $100+ meals?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
...I had my first litter of baby snakes 44 years ago. Since then I have been totally fascinated with just how amazing it all is. I came home from work this morning in a hurry because I expected Caat99F4 to lay babies during the night. Sure enough she had laid her litter and there I was again like a kid in a candy shop looking at each of the new babies. I have had many of my very best looking babies just pop up among the plainer looking ones in a litter from plainer looking parents. It makes me think that we are pissing in the wind attempting to selective breed for various traits.
...It is nice to have a hobby that pays for itself but I was giving away baby snakes at one time and I imagine I will be giving baby snakes away again at some time in the future. Sometimes I like dealing with people selling my snakes but sometimes it is really frustrating and makes me think I should wholesale all of them.
...I would think that when you have baby snakes to sell you will find a market for them at the larger European shows. BTW, norphs are just a passing fad. Prices for all morphs will drop down close to normal snake prices someday very soon. I have been saying that for about 20 years now and I am sure I am right about it.
Jeff

>>this is sort of directed at jeff and dave, what are your reasons for breeding? Ie i understand if you breed bambam for his colour, or a hypo, fluffy etc, your trying to further the genetics of a particular colour or morph. But what about all the other pairings, do you have set plans of what you want to achieve? Is it for the resale of the babies?
>>I guess im just curious, as i have 2 females ready to go, but im not sure i will breed them. If i do, it will be to better my knowledge of breeding husbandary, but i would also have to be sure i would be able to secure homes for all the offspring.
>>Thoughts?
>>Cheers
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>>Dave
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>>2.2 Normal BRBs
>>2.1 Anery BRB
>>4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
>>2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
>>2.2 het hypo BRB
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>>In the mail from the states
>>- the entire contents of my credit card

But only on one point, I agree with most of it....

The point I disagree with is the selective breeding part. This year I had litters from several of my held back animals from prior years which were all selected for color and pattern. Those litters were awesome, producing many, very many, stunning animals!!!

I see the babies typically cluster around the color/pattern of the parents. Yes there will be extreme ends of that bell curve in any litter with some stunners and some plain janes. But, as the intensity of color/pattern in the parents increases, so does the average of the babies.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
....I do agree with you 100% about the babies in a litter custering around the color and pattern of the parents with extreme ends of the bell curve. That is why I asked you about Bam Bams litter mates the other day. Genetics is a very precise science with very imprecise results.
Jeff

>>But only on one point, I agree with most of it....
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>>The point I disagree with is the selective breeding part. This year I had litters from several of my held back animals from prior years which were all selected for color and pattern. Those litters were awesome, producing many, very many, stunning animals!!!
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>>I see the babies typically cluster around the color/pattern of the parents. Yes there will be extreme ends of that bell curve in any litter with some stunners and some plain janes. But, as the intensity of color/pattern in the parents increases, so does the average of the babies.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

got to agree with dave here, why is it not possible to breed for selective traits?, its happening in every other species, whats different about the rainbows?
Also, you say you been waiting 20yrs for morph prices to come down, ummmm. 20yrs is a while.
As for morphs, i think we are just on the verge of stuff now with rainbows, with enough morph animals to be reaching adulthood in the next few years, i see so many possibilities.
Look at corns and balls now, the first albino corn was what 40yrs ago? And you can still pay over a grand for a designer morph, yes morphs come down in price, but only to be replaced by more complex ones. Some people with corns and balls have turned morph breeding it a business. I can imagine given daves collection for example being able to be turned into a business to live off. And god cant imagine what Ian G has stacked away at Outback Reptiles.

Rambling again

Ps if it helps, i can see prime example of a brb like Bam Bam to be worth more than a bunch of random hets
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

You said " God cant imagine what Ian G from Outback reptiles has stacked away." lol is he supposed to an awesome collection of Rainbows too? Like Stuff that no one knows about or what?
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

Ian is the owner of the only known Albino BRB. Who knows what else he is hiding away. I can't wait to get my hands on the Albino! I'm sure Dave will be the first one here to get one, as I'm sure he has the funds to make it happen.
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Aubrey Ross

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www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Imagine what animals other people may be keeping secret. I have known Sean from Regal Reptiles for awhile. We have talked about Rainbow Boa morphs. I sold him animals at Daytona several times over the last few years and just today I learn he owns a leucistic Rainbow Boa. You have to wonder who else is keeping something big secret?

>>You said " God cant imagine what Ian G from Outback reptiles has stacked away." lol is he supposed to an awesome collection of Rainbows too? Like Stuff that no one knows about or what?
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>>1.1 BRB
>>1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
>>1.0 Pastel Ball Python

Does anyone know where you can find a picture of the Albino Rainbow Boa?
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

www.rubiosreptiles.com/interface.html

Wow what a wild looking Rainbow Boa. Thanks for the Link!
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

Dave,
...If I have been predicting the quick collapse of the morph market for twenty years and it still has not happened then I agree I must have been wrong. My reasoning has been that morphs are not rare, they are all over the place and many many of them including some BRB morphs are not as pretty as the normal animals. What it all eventually will result in is so many designer snakes available that it will far exceeed the demand. So I have been wrong for 20 years? It does not mean that the morph market will never collapse. There are plenty of people who lost big money betting wrong on the Ball Python morph business. I hope you can have as much fun with this subject as I am. You and I both have an investment in morph animals. Let's hope it works out well for both of us but keep in mind that we may be producing the perfect morph animals just in time for the market to go somewhere else.
Jeff

>>got to agree with dave here, why is it not possible to breed for selective traits?, its happening in every other species, whats different about the rainbows?
>>Also, you say you been waiting 20yrs for morph prices to come down, ummmm. 20yrs is a while.
>>As for morphs, i think we are just on the verge of stuff now with rainbows, with enough morph animals to be reaching adulthood in the next few years, i see so many possibilities.
>>Look at corns and balls now, the first albino corn was what 40yrs ago? And you can still pay over a grand for a designer morph, yes morphs come down in price, but only to be replaced by more complex ones. Some people with corns and balls have turned morph breeding it a business. I can imagine given daves collection for example being able to be turned into a business to live off. And god cant imagine what Ian G has stacked away at Outback Reptiles.
>>
>>Rambling again
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>>Ps if it helps, i can see prime example of a brb like Bam Bam to be worth more than a bunch of random hets
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>>Dave
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>>2.2 Normal BRBs
>>2.1 Anery BRB
>>4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
>>2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
>>2.2 het hypo BRB
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>>In the mail from the states
>>- the entire contents of my credit card

Just to add my two cents, I'm skeptical the morph business is really as robust as some people think. Where is the evidence? Just because a website has a price listed, doesn't mean the snake sold (or will sell) for that much. Also, some of the forums I've seen have had threads about breeders selling off their collections. Regardless, personally I would not bet my financial future without hard data, which is something that might be impossible to get. That's why I believe "investment" is the wrong term for snake breeding; it's more "speculation", imo. (I'm only talking about the financial part of it, not the enjoyment/hobby factor.) And with the current economic crisis going on, I think Jeff's prediction is already coming true. A four figure snake is going to be one of the first items to be sacrificed in hard economic times.

Having said all that, I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see all you guys/gals make money breeding and selling snakes.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Dave,
>>...If I have been predicting the quick collapse of the morph market for twenty years and it still has not happened then I agree I must have been wrong. My reasoning has been that morphs are not rare, they are all over the place and many many of them including some BRB morphs are not as pretty as the normal animals. What it all eventually will result in is so many designer snakes available that it will far exceeed the demand. So I have been wrong for 20 years? It does not mean that the morph market will never collapse. There are plenty of people who lost big money betting wrong on the Ball Python morph business. I hope you can have as much fun with this subject as I am. You and I both have an investment in morph animals. Let's hope it works out well for both of us but keep in mind that we may be producing the perfect morph animals just in time for the market to go somewhere else.
>>Jeff
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>>>>got to agree with dave here, why is it not possible to breed for selective traits?, its happening in every other species, whats different about the rainbows?
>>>>Also, you say you been waiting 20yrs for morph prices to come down, ummmm. 20yrs is a while.
>>>>As for morphs, i think we are just on the verge of stuff now with rainbows, with enough morph animals to be reaching adulthood in the next few years, i see so many possibilities.
>>>>Look at corns and balls now, the first albino corn was what 40yrs ago? And you can still pay over a grand for a designer morph, yes morphs come down in price, but only to be replaced by more complex ones. Some people with corns and balls have turned morph breeding it a business. I can imagine given daves collection for example being able to be turned into a business to live off. And god cant imagine what Ian G has stacked away at Outback Reptiles.
>>>>
>>>>Rambling again
>>>>
>>>>Ps if it helps, i can see prime example of a brb like Bam Bam to be worth more than a bunch of random hets
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>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>2.2 Normal BRBs
>>>>2.1 Anery BRB
>>>>4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
>>>>2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
>>>>2.2 het hypo BRB
>>>>
>>>>In the mail from the states
>>>>- the entire contents of my credit card

its a pretty interesting topic i gotta say. And just for me, yes i have spent a fair bit of cash now, but i did not do it as an investment, i did it because i can afford to. Do i expect to see a return, i do actually as i have seen how the euro snake markets are going. That said if i dont, it wont matter either as im loving the hobby with a passion i havent had for a while.
As to people making true money, i think if you are the first to have something, and have invested the capital you will get the return. In brb morphs at the moment, i believe there is a market, and maybe purely as the amount of morphs out there, is far less than the amount of breeders/keepers. Once this situation is reversed it may be a different story.
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

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