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Surprise Snow Clutch

tombarnhart Oct 26, 2008 09:48 PM

My last clutch of the year was 7 eggs from a albino male pos, pos het for VPI snow bred to a het albino female. To my surprise from the 7 eggs that were laid I hatched out 2 axanthics (het for albino), 2 normal (het for albino pos het snow), 2 albinos (pos het axanthic)and 1 snow. I still cannot believe what I'm seeing. I bought the female mother of the clutch as a het albino back in 2002. I produced the father of the clutch from a het albino pos het VPI axanthic I purchased from Ralph Davis in 2004.

I'm still kinda in shock over this.

Thanks for looking.

Tom

Replies (18)

ThaGirls Oct 26, 2008 09:57 PM

Pretty clutch! Congratulations!!
Toni

fatjay Oct 26, 2008 10:00 PM

You lucky dog!
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1.0 Pastel Ball
1.1 Het VPI Axanthic Balls
1.1 Het Albino Balls
0.0.2 Red Tail Boas
1.0 Albino Nelsoni Milksnake
1.1 Room mates

dmasio13 Oct 26, 2008 10:21 PM

Congrats Tom it couldnt have happened to a nicer guy
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Damian Macioce
www.strongholdreptiles.com

jsschrei Oct 26, 2008 10:23 PM

Nice clutch! Congrats.
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Jessica
0.2 Pastel jungle
1.1 Spiders
1.0 het pied
0.1 Pied
1.0 VPI axanthic poss het snow
0.1 het VPI axanthic
1.1 het clown
1.0 DH Jolliff snow
0.1 Albino het Jolliff snow
1.0 Albino
1.0 Black pastel
1.0 Lesser Platinum
0.1 Lemon Blast

HaroldG Oct 26, 2008 10:33 PM

Big Congrats Tom !!!
Man that is a great surprise.

ginebig Oct 27, 2008 12:51 AM

What a conglomeration eh? great clutch.

Quig

tombarnhart Oct 26, 2008 10:52 PM

The more I look at the clutch the more I'm wondering about the "albino" that is in the back of the group pic. He appears very light as well, just not quite as light as the snow in the center of the group shot.

Tom

boxienuts Oct 26, 2008 11:15 PM

Congrats Tom, that is a great looking clutch. My first thought when I looked at the pic was that I saw 2 snows and 1 albino, in fact I had to go back up and re-read your post to see what your count was. Not positive, but maybe it is in fact a snow, but the effect of the axanthics genes are not quite as complete in that snake as in the other snow at getting rid of the yellow pattern, or is it possible that it is an albino het axanthic and the single copy of axanthic is having a reduction effect? I'm certainly not the expert, just posing questions, maybe the same ones you are right now,lol. There is one sure way to find out, breed it, but I bet you would like to know before that time, I'm sure someone probably has a definate answer out there and will chime in. Either way thats a very nice mixed variety clutch to be proud of, congrats again.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

tombarnhart Oct 26, 2008 11:30 PM

Thanks Jeff. Yeah, the lighter looking albino is a male just like the snow so I may hold him back as well and breed him to try and figure out what's going on with him.

Thanks,
Tom

ThaGirls Oct 26, 2008 11:51 PM

I thought it was also a 2nd snow when I saw the pic.
Toni

Wallbanger26 Oct 27, 2008 10:26 AM

You have two snows. One thats awesome and one that just isnt as cool as the awesome one.

FRoberts Oct 27, 2008 11:00 AM

>>You have two snows. One thats awesome and one that just isnt as cool as the awesome one.
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Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

RoyalVariations Oct 26, 2008 11:26 PM

Tom,

Congrats to you, Very nice indeed.

Sincerely, Kyle

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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid" David Coverdale

alicecobb Oct 27, 2008 04:06 AM

so exciting! BTW, I'd hold that second male back also . . . while not as white as the other snow, he certainly doesn't have normal albino coloring.
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Alice Cobb
Florida Reptile Room

tombarnhart Oct 27, 2008 04:20 AM

Thanks Alice. I agree, it's clutches like these that totally make you appreciate the hobby.

Only expecting to get a few albinos and then watching this clutch unfold was amazing! My future breeding plans have changed for the better, to say the least.

Thanks,
Tom

CaseyLazik Oct 27, 2008 12:19 PM

Nothing beats a surprise like that!
Congratulations! That is very cool.

Casey
Casey Lazik Reptiles

Coldthumb Oct 27, 2008 07:29 PM

>>My last clutch of the year was 7 eggs from a albino male pos, pos het for VPI snow bred to a het albino female. To my surprise from the 7 eggs that were laid I hatched out 2 axanthics (het for albino), 2 normal (het for albino pos het snow), 2 albinos (pos het axanthic)and 1 snow. I still cannot believe what I'm seeing. I bought the female mother of the clutch as a het albino back in 2002. I produced the father of the clutch from a het albino pos het VPI axanthic I purchased from Ralph Davis in 2004.
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>>I'm still kinda in shock over this.
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>>Thanks for looking.
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>>Tom
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It's amazing how those recessive genes carry over so many generations unseen.

Big congrats to you!...,and i bet that albino is het axanthic(It's so pale looking.)
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Charles Glaspie
http://www.myspace.com/coldthumb

rob0222 Oct 28, 2008 03:08 PM

Wow! what cool snakes! =D

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