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Upper respiratory infection in kingsnake

hannahftw Oct 28, 2008 05:16 PM

I had posted a few days ago about my kingsnake spitting up a white, gooey substance. I took her to my veterinarian and he was unable to diagnose an upper respiratory infection, but gave her an injection of antibiotics anyway. I'm concerned because he seemed like he did not know much about snakes, and although he told me the injections would not hurt her even if she doesn't have an upper respiratory infection, I'm beginning to wonder.

He gave me two more syringes with more injections in it to give to her in three days and in six days. Should I continue with his recommendation?

Replies (11)

nreptilehaven27 Oct 28, 2008 06:41 PM

I read your other questions from a couple of days ago. I just wanted to ask. Have you checked for mites? snakes will often stay in their water bowl for days and also they will act really hyper or restless as well. As far as your question goes for the antibiotics, it will not hurt them. If infact it is an infection it will help, if it is a virus it will have to run its course. So I would recommend continue as instructed. Can you hear a crackling when it breathes? Keep us posted. Good luck

hannahftw Oct 28, 2008 06:58 PM

Whew, that really makes me feel better. I assumed the antibiotics wouldn't hurt her, but I was worried nonetheless.

I have not checked for mites and do not know how to. Now that these problems are arising I'm realizing that maybe I'm not suitable for owning a snake. I have had her a long time (and I had another kingsnake a while back but he has since passed away) and enjoy having her, however, I want to take the best care of her and I certainly need to learn more about these animals in order to keep her as a pet.

After searching google about what to look for with mites - I'm pretty confident she does not have them. I have not noticed anything crawling on her skin, nor on my hands after handling her, and the veterinarian today did thoroughly look at her skin, feel her for bumps (I assume, he ran his hand across her while gripping her down her body), and said that she looks healthy and her skin looks glossy and beautiful. I don't know why she's in her water bowl so much, but she has not been acting more restless in her cage. She is quite active when being held, but has always been like this.

I will continue with her antibiotics and research about other health problems that kingsnakes have in the meantime, so I can better educate myself about her. I'm very glad to hear that the medication shouldn't hurt her.

Thanks so much for your response, and any other input is greatly appreciated.

Hannah

nreptilehaven27 Oct 28, 2008 07:25 PM

Glad to help. I always have white water bowls so just in case mites break out. It is easy to see when the water bowls are white. Make sure and check the water bowl for little black spots. I hope it does not have mites. Sometimes its best to get a white paper towel, get it wet and let the snake crawl through it gripping it firmly around the snake. Too much heat can also cause them to stay in their water as well. Prshedding also. I have a friend that has a bull snake that loves his water bowl. He is in it 3 days a week for hrs sometimes. There is nothing wrong with him he just likes it. Good luck

FR Oct 29, 2008 10:28 AM

Is that folks forget what they are keeping is a reptile. This sounds odd, but its so very true.

A reptile controls its bodily functions with energy gained from outside sources, an ectotherm. This is totally forgotten with most keepers.

Their bodily functions take energy to complete(heat) If they cannot get to the energy they need, those functions fail.

Conditions like upper respitory infections, mouthrot, poor shedding are all directly related to a failed immune system. Which is commonly caused by poor enviornmental choices.

Soaking in the water bowl is a DIRECT symtom of dehydration. Of course, mites also cause this, as mentioned. If your snake doesn't have mites, then look for dehydration.

These problems are very common at this time of year as the outside temps change, without the KEEPER adjusting the cage temps. ALso if you have a screen top, the drier air of fall and winter, can cause extreme dehydration.

Of course, your snakes problems can be something else or caused by something else, but the above is by far the most common causes of what you mentioned.

The cures are simple, snakes in nature, find what they need(or perish), they are not restricted to a average temp as they are commonly forced to in captivity.

If you watch this board, each and every fall its filled with problems like yours. All this points out is, some keepers conditions are a little less then average and their snake fails.

You mentioned, as so many do, you want to keep your snake the right or best way. MOST HERE DO NOT. They keep their animals in a human controlled follow the others "average" way. They tell the snakes what to do. Telling the snakes what to do can never be the best way. Allowing the snakes to make their own choices, will always be a better way.

All you have to do is allow them the ability to make their own choices. Offer them a a choice, its easy. Then you can avoid such common problems. A deep substrate with various degrees of humidity(not wet). Plenty of hiding places with different conditions and a range of temp choices from ambient room temp(65 to 75F) on the cool side, to around 100F, of course, 85F is marginal, 90F is better, 95F even better, 100F is all you would ever need on the warm side. Of course, the snakes need the ability to avoid those high temps when not needed. If you do this, your snake can get what it needs and make its own choices, and that includes brumating if it so desires.

There are many many simple easy cheap ways to do this, and which one depends on you and your setup and your needs and wishes.

To force these fine animals to do what we want is a human control issue, and has nothing to do with snakes.

You will see in the following posts the abundance of human control issues. Cheers

p. s. Thanks Tom

Dobry Oct 29, 2008 01:00 PM

Hi Frank,
Do you think you could provide a pic of some of your snake setups?
Thanks in advance.
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"Relax, Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew!" Charlie Papazian

hannahftw Oct 28, 2008 07:02 PM

Oh, and, no, I have not heard crackling when she breathes. I have not put her up to my ear and actively listened, but the veterinarian listened to her with the stethoscope and did not hear anything unusual. Well, I guess he didn't hear anything at all - but I will listen for crackling when I next hold her. The only real thing I've noticed is her spitting up.

markg Oct 28, 2008 07:43 PM

Are you cleaning the cage with a certain cleaning product? What substrate are you using?

What are you feeding it, thawed or live?
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Mark

hannahftw Oct 28, 2008 07:56 PM

The cage is being cleaned with saltwater. The substrate is Carefresh bedding.

She eats frozen mice, about three at a time.

lytlesnake Nov 03, 2008 02:19 AM

I tried a few bags of that Carefresh bedding and I'm not crazy about it. It reminds me of cardboard mixed with used toilet paper or something. The smell is not great. I've had it in some of my snakes' tubs for a few months now, but I'm not going to buy any more.

Aspen is really a lot better. The Zoo Med aspen is my favorite. I've been using the big bales of cheaper aspen from the large chain petstores lately though, as it's a lot cheaper. I wish a local store sold the big bags of Zoo Med. I may mail order some if the shipping isn't too much.

CougVet Oct 28, 2008 09:07 PM

Hello hannahtfw,
My husband pointed out your post to me because he thought I would find it interesting as i am in my third year of veterinary school right now.
The advise given to you thus far in regards to the antibiotics is correct, there is no reason that they would do any harm and may just do the trick.
Your vet may or may not know much about reptiles, couldn't say that without knowing them personally. I will say that reptile medicine isn't exactly a "hot topic" in most veterinary schools. It is gaining in popularity within the veterinary community (as well as in the general population) and I wouldn't be surprised to see many new advances in reptile medicine very soon. It is even beginning to blossom into another specialty option.

As far as her gooey discharge issue, how long ago was she actually seen? Have you seen any improvement in her condition thus far? If she is doing better or seems to be recovered it was most likely a bacterial respiratory infection (my husband, the household reptile expert, agrees with the assessment that it sounds like a respiratory infection). If her condition is improving and continues to improve please be sure to finish her entire treatment of antibiotics even if she appears cured prior to her final dose. To cut her treatment short and say, not give her last dose on time risks a relapse in her infection and with the bacteria that won't be killed by that same antibiotic because they are now resistant to it and much harder to deal with. I am curious as to what antibiotic you were given if you wouldn't mind sharing.
Our experiences (mostly my husband's) have been that most health issues relate back to a husbandry issue. Sounds like you have done very well with the care of your reptiles and it is obvious that you care very much for them. I would invite you to post a picture of her enclosure or describe it in more detail, it may be possible that someone has idea or similar experience that was easily solved by a slight modification of her environment.

I appologize for the longwindness and I hope your snake is doing better and I would love to hear an update on how she is doing!

hannahftw Oct 29, 2008 11:04 PM

Thanks for the reply. That's very exciting to be in your third year in veterinary school. I just moved to Fort Collins to hopefully go to the CSU Veterinary School, and I'm quite excited to be pursuing that soon (I have yet to go to college at all, I'm just out of high school). I know there isn't as much of a selection of herp vets than there are for domestic animals like cats and dogs, but I wish that I could find a vet that didn't make me feel like I knew more than he does.

I'll continue with the antibiotics. She just received the first injection yesterday, and I'll be doing one on the 31st and one on the 3rd, but I haven't noticed her coughing/spitting up since the vet visit. I'll be cleaning her cage tonight to eliminate any excess bacteria, and hopefully she'll get better. The antibiotics he gave me are called Amiglyde, and I have .3cc to give her twice. He gave her a higher dose when I was at the clinic.

Thanks again for your response. I'm confident she should be getting better, if not already.

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