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Worst Rescue ever

BDlvr Oct 29, 2008 05:37 PM

366 grams. Emaciated. Yellow fungus over most of his body top and bottom except his tail and thankfully around his eyes. Euthanasia is never an option here. Any other opinions regarding successful treatment of yellow fungus would be greatly appreciated.

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MimC85 Oct 29, 2008 06:14 PM

Yikes! He looks a lot like a rescue i had last year...unfortunately my guy didn't make it.

If yours has any chance i would say aggressive treatment at the descrestion of a good qualified herp vet is his best choice. If nothing else, at this point he is so dehydrated he definately will need a catheter placed IO (intra osseous) to help rehydrate him, bloodwork should be done to evaluate his overall health as well...

My guy rallied for awhile with fluid therapy and antibiotics (he was septic from an untreated, abscessed bite wound on his arm) but in the end it was all too much for him.

I would get him to a good herp vet, get some fluids into him and if possible - get some bloodwork done to evaluate where things are at internally.

As far as yellow fungus - im afraid i dont know. I would check www.reptilerooms.com, CheriS wrote a good article on yellow fungus - i think its in the bearded dragon forums...or it may be in the caresheet section.

Good luck with him!
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nycmedic Oct 29, 2008 07:02 PM

Is that a 12 inch tile he's lying on? If so someone knew well enough to get him that big before letting him go. He was obviously pretty healthy once. Good luck getting him back. I tried a rescue like that once with a specimenhalf that size and it didnt work out. Severe dehydration without professional help is tought to overcome.

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BDlvr Oct 30, 2008 03:50 PM

Yes, It's a 12 x 12 slate tile.

niddy Oct 29, 2008 07:41 PM

OMGoodness...this made me cry. Please keep us updated!

>>366 grams. Emaciated. Yellow fungus over most of his body top and bottom except his tail and thankfully around his eyes. Euthanasia is never an option here. Any other opinions regarding successful treatment of yellow fungus would be greatly appreciated.
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laurarfl Oct 30, 2008 07:53 AM

I had three rescues from the same owner, one had what appeared to be a dime-sized spot of yellow fungus on his underside and a little on his spiky side. One I kept and is brumating. One seemed fine in the beginning, then quickly went downhill to look like that photo, and died. The third (with the fungus), was treated, cured, and placed with a knowledgeable rescue home.

Here's what I did:
*As for diet, calcium rich greens (history of MBD, no proper lighting) and veggies, insects. No fruit or high sugar veggies that can feed gut fungus such as candida. Added probiotics to diet.
*Natural sunlight for MBD and to improve skin health
*washed with chlorhexiderm shampoo and alternately applied miconazole and tioconazole twice daily.

I think the secret to this guy's success was that it was external and seemed to be in the initial stages. He ate like a beast, was strong, and the lesions were smooth, not raised up and advanced. During treatment, he lost a lot of scales in the area, and the skin turned black. Then he shed and the skin looked clear again. I kept up with weekly bathing just to make sure, and I kept his cage very clean, with newspaper substrate and no furnishings. I was not able to keep the humidity low since he lived in my garage, the quarantine area.

Good luck with yours.

BDlvr Oct 30, 2008 03:45 PM

He does not eat. I open his mouth and give him 5 ml Critical Care for Herbivores in the am. In the pm I open his mouth and give him a large Hornworm. Believe me I know the odds are against his survival.

*washed with chlorhexiderm shampoo and alternately applied miconazole and tioconazole twice daily.

Can you identify where you got the compounds stated? Was the chlorhexiderm shampoo 2%, 3% or 4%? I am aligned with an animal hospital so prescription and cost is not a problem.

oregonsnakes Oct 30, 2008 09:07 AM

Do you know how old the animal is? It would be sad if you were trying to save a 29 year old dragon...

BDlvr Oct 30, 2008 03:48 PM

I don't know anything about him except what I can see. He was abandoned at a vet. He needs a name. Any suggestions?

niddy Oct 30, 2008 04:57 PM

I still love Steve Irwin and his love and admiration for crocs. One of his favorite crocs was Agro, because he was so tough and a big fighter. (he's the one who destroyed countless lawnmowers lol)

So yeah...I vote "Agro."

>>I don't know anything about him except what I can see. He was abandoned at a vet. He needs a name. Any suggestions?
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PHLdyPayne Oct 30, 2008 11:33 AM

Really bad condition... I can't really add to all that has been suggested. Though I think getting him eating and hydrated first, then tackle the yellow fungus may be best. I don't know for sure how harsh the current treatments for Yellow Fungus may be.
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Midnight_962002 Oct 30, 2008 12:43 PM

It is unbelievable how cruel people are. For this one to grow this big he had to be cared for, for some period of time. Then forgot about?

Where did you get him from?

I would agree that you should start getting him hydrated and eating. I haven't had to deal with yellow fungus.

Good Luck and please provide updates.

Ernie
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robyn@ProExotics Oct 30, 2008 04:20 PM

That is a real shame. Best of luck with it.
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dansdragons Oct 30, 2008 06:57 PM

oh man..that guy is in BAD shape..

best of luck with him, hope the poor guy makes a full recovery in your care.

kmartin311 Oct 31, 2008 09:37 AM

Try Acidophiliz - It may help with the fungus and parasites. If your having trouble administering you may have to force-feed at the side of the mouth.

BDlvr Nov 01, 2008 05:57 AM

I'm very familiar with it and have used it often. He gets it daily. It's actually called "assist feeding" when you open their mouths and put in food. I have to assist feed him all his meals.

"Force feeding" is when a tube is put down their throat.

He is really in the most difficult of situations. If I had just gotten him a month or so ago.

calientedragons Nov 02, 2008 07:10 PM

I have taken them in like that and they do turn around, once they start eating on their own its allot easier Just be cautious that if he has something contagious you don't spread it through your collection.

Melisssss Nov 08, 2008 09:08 PM

I realize this advice is too late for the rescue but I have had an ongoing battle with two rescue and yellow fungus. One is my amputee and the other is a baby with a broken lower jaw. The baby cleared up fairly fast with chlorihexidine baths and shampoo along with Lamisil 2x daily, religously. The amputee was harder due to her stitches being in place for 6 weeks. The fungus spread to the stich area and I had to wait it out until the stitches were removed before I could do much. She now gets the same treatments. Here is the kicker though...you MUST continue to treat even after you see no outward signs of infection. The baby that seemed all clear was absolutely covered within a month later. We are now retreating. That fungus returns with a vengence! I feed no fruits at all so no need to worry about that; just green and worms or crickets. I use paper towel substrates for the rescues. I find the key to be the Nolvasan solution soaks for 30 minutes daily rathed than the shampoo. If they get sore, which they will, I skip a day or two and just soak in plain water. It is also important to not pull that fungus off as it sheds no matter how tempting it is. It really makes the poor guys sore. When they dry out after a soak one day it will shed off in huge sheets. The soaks are extremely important in this treatment because it cleans the old medicine off and debreeds the fungus off the skin. I sprinkle their greens with Nutrobac all the time to increase their appetites and return a natrual flora to the gut.

Oh and it does help to let your guys drink from their soaking water and potty then draw new water before adding the Nolvasan. Those dragons will poop every time when you don't want them too. I found Nolvasan super cheap on a tractor website, $14 a gallon!

Please excuse my mygraine induced spelling errors

BDlvr Nov 10, 2008 02:42 AM

It's good advise for the future regardless. Thanks.

Are either cured? Or are you still treating? How long have you been treating?

Melisssss Nov 10, 2008 07:31 AM

Still treating. Total time 3 months. We are nearing the end though. It might have been faster if we went the Vet route but I fear they might have been killed that way. Those are some pretty harsh drugs. The broken jaw baby has an extremely stubborn case. She will get so sore from the fugus you cannot handle her at all for days. She has it over 100% of her body. We are make huge progress though!

mvanlone Nov 24, 2008 03:17 PM

I stumbled upon this particular thread and I am not a sensitive guy usually. After seeing that picture, be quite honest it almost made me cry. So I am kind of new to reptiles and so does it appear that someone did not give a darn about this BD and dropped it off to the vet and abandon it? I can't see why someone would do that. It hurts to see this picture. I hope the BD makes it. It does not look good though looking at this picture. Any updates?

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