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I confess...

boaphile Oct 30, 2008 11:46 AM

OK, just a little blurb to tell the story of how "The Boaphile" has come to acquire his first Ball Python in nearly 20 years. "Nearly 20 years" you ask? Oh yea baby. I had Ball Pythons back in the 80's before many of you had darkened in the door of kindergarten. In fact, I bred them as well, producing one clutch of 6 baby Balls in 1988. This when I had only produced five litters of Boas up until that point. There were zero "investment" animals at that time except Albino Burmese Pythons. A few fellows in California had spent a great deal of money on Albino Boas and sold one each to first Paul Miles and then his next door neighbor, Pete Kahl, but those critters were not producing anything yet that would be available to the masses.

So I had my Ball Pythons and my Boas. I had time to take my animals out and handle them a lot more than I do today. I would take out the Boas and they would seem to enjoy a walk in the snake room. The Balls however, did not. They would be Ball Pythons balling up most of the time and when they did stretch out, these particular Balls would bite. So my early experience with Ball Pythons, in my formative years, was not as fun for me as the Boas. I wanted to specialize and get really good at one thing, so I chose Boas, or some might say, the Boas chose me. That's how it started.

For many years I would breed my Boas and watch what the Ball Python mad scientists were doing with Balls. Unlike the unfounded accusation by one fellow, I was never one to believe that the Ball Python craze was a "fad". In fact, many friends that I have who have Ball Pythons will tell you how I frequently vocally marveled at what was going on with the Ball Pythons. In fact, I have made many posts on the Ball Python Forum right here at kingsnake.com shouting my praise of the wonders that are everywhere in the Ball Python World, and this apparently to the consternation of some thinking that a Boa guy should stay out of the Ball Python play ground. Just because I am not playing the same game, doesn't mean I don't have a admiration for the sport that is Ball Pythons.

The fact is that the Ball Python industry has helped drive the Reptile Hobby to the level it is at today. That is inarguable. I frankly do not get the bitterness that some appear to have that many of the Boa keepers have also gotten into the Ball Pythons. The fact is that there wasn't anyone that I am aware of that was really concentrating on the Balls until the Albino Balls came on the scene. Even then, the numbers were limited. Then as more and more morphs appeared, more and more had stronger interest in these masters of pattern and color. The Ball Pythons. So while many Boa people have come in late, many of the other long term Reptile people where fanciers of other Herps before they succumbed to the nearly irresistible lure that the Ball Python boom has been.

I think that any interest in any form of Reptiles that is expanded is good for all of us. The more and crazier stuff that you Ball Python guys make, the better it is for us Boa guys. We can't keep up to be sure, but we shoot for the stars and make ever more interesting Boas just the same. Much of what we know about genetics we owe to the leg work that has been done by Ball Python people. The incredibly discerning eye that Ball Python people use has increased the number of Boa people that look at their Boas with a far more careful gaze, hopefully revealing more and greater things to come in the Boa world.

I had watched the Ball Python explosion mostly from afar choosing to stick with my Boas, but then everything changed. One year at Daytona, I happened by Brian Bs. table, where Bradley Boa was loitering, and there they were! The very first Pinstripe Balls I had ever seen! Wow! Now that is something I had to have! How much was it, I asked Brad. 30K I believe was the answer. Though I wanted one in the worst way, I did not want to breed them so an "investment" price would be out of the question for me. I told Brad that I wanted one. He knew it and soon was making them himself. In 2005 or so Brad called and said he had a Pinstripe Ball for me. I asked the price. Still more than I wished to spend on one. I told Brad what I wanted to pay and assured him I would buy one when one was waved under my nose at that price. Later, I told Craig Kade, a good friend of Brad the same thing. A couple months ago, Craig beat Brad to the punch calling me to tell me he had that Pinstripe for me! That was a happy day. I love that little Ball Python.

However, just to be perfectly clear. I own one Ball Python. Only one with no plans to personally dive into the Ball project. So you can all sleep soundly tonight. The Boaphile does not intend to become the "Ball-O-Phile". That just isn't going to happen. In the mean time, I know you Ball Python guys have been admiring a few Boas yourself... Come on in! Boa guys will welcome you with open arms! The water is warm, the babies are more numerous, though less prolific, more difficult to photograph, and then you will need larger and new cages! We are only limited by what we can imagine...

Oh and this... A Ball X Boa cross of course:


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Replies (21)

Explicit_Reptiles Oct 30, 2008 12:15 PM

Jeff,

Nice post for all the haters out there. I myself have both Boa's and Ball Pythons and find both to be great. Of course they both have there differences. Balls dont always eat like you want them to and Boa's eat even when you dont want them to LoL. With all the great combo's coming from both, I think I have to love them both. Of course Ball Pythons have a bigger selection of morphs but Boa's also have a really nice selection.

Well dont want to make to long of post so congrats and best of luck.


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jyohe Oct 30, 2008 01:15 PM

good post ....

and of course the ball x boa is a hypo -super -cinny- suriname right?

......funny....30,000$ for a pin......get what now....over 100 of them for that.....LOL......

so....buy a friend for that pin......(pastel butter?).....
it's lonely around all them big boas....

good luck....
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two digit morphs...who woulda thunk it.......

bigbearhook Oct 30, 2008 01:32 PM

Awesome post. Thanks for breaking down the walls of descrimination and hate that has torn this great counrty apart for so long. (Slight tearing. Sniff Sniff) I have Balls and hope to one day have my very own beautifull Boa. Thanks Again!

Mike_Russell Oct 30, 2008 03:47 PM

Hmm... bet you can't buy just one?

Thanks for the post.

dmasio13 Oct 30, 2008 03:47 PM

Boas are what got me into keeping snakes this was about 6 years ago. But then I liked the way the mojaves looked but they were outta my price range at that time (about 6K) so I looked around for a pastel. I inquired about one on Kingsnake the guy gave me phone number and come to find out he lived 2 blocks away from me. When I went to his place he had all the morphs I had been looking at and it was so nicely kept in racks where I had my boas in tanks and home made cages. This guy was Jared Carr after I saw his ball collection I sold off my boas. But here are a few pics of some of my bos from a few years ago.
This is a het albino

Madagascar Ground Boa

Beautiful Hypo Het Sunglow Female

Albino Female

I had a few more but ball pythons hold my interest now but if I had a larger snake room I would definatly get boas again.

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Atlas511 Oct 30, 2008 04:11 PM

Is it? do you have more pics? what did you cross?

jyohe Oct 30, 2008 04:19 PM

you can't do it......live bearer vs egg layer....

......he's kidding.....
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bigbearhook Oct 30, 2008 04:29 PM

Most Definately, For Certainly, Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt, Sarcastically!, YES!!!

Atlas511 Oct 30, 2008 05:53 PM

can you imagine all the people who would try and throw there balls, retic, carpets, and blood with some boas! big mistake in my eyes! no one want to swim in muddy water!

bigbearhook Oct 30, 2008 06:28 PM

just in case anybody was wondering. I was being SARCASTIC! Hense Saracstically!

boaphile Oct 30, 2008 06:59 PM

Here he is with some brothers and sisters!


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fgs Oct 30, 2008 07:26 PM

Jeff:

Beautiful looking babies.

Craig Kade is a great guy.....

Congratulations Jeff.

Hey if you ever need help with incubation or breeding tips, I'm sure there's a lot of people on this forum that will help you.

Way to go Bud...

Brian
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knottydread Oct 31, 2008 09:39 AM

Jeff: What kind of boa's are those? Where can I get one?

I am serious!
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1.0 Het Albino Burm
0.1 Normal Ball Python
1.0 Albino Ball Python
1.1 Pastel Ball Pythons
0.1 Spider Ball Python
0.2 Het Albino Ball Pythons
0.1 Lavender Albino Retic

Seeking bigger cages for the family

boaphile Oct 31, 2008 10:51 AM

They are "Mistico Boas". Meaning, "Mystical Boas" as the pattern seems to be disappearing. So far they all live in the same place with the one and only Ball Python that I own. I will offer some for sale perhaps in about a month. Great fun stumbling onto something that you had NO idea was going to be there.
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jyohe Oct 30, 2008 09:02 PM

we ball people wake up to piles of clean white eggs with a ball female on top....then when they hatch we have baby balls, usually fairly clean...at times bloody if we are cutters...LOL

you boa people wake up to that smell in the room /house....that eewwwy goooey smell of a pile of snot and blood and baby boas all in a mess all over the cage that may or may not be cleaned up quickly....

LOL........nice boas .....show them some lipstick.......

take care,good luck,,,,build raxx.....lots of Raxx....

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xXVanXx Oct 31, 2008 03:26 AM

Your Kidding Right? Nice Pinstripe Jeff, Is that also het Pied? or Clown? lmao...

Van
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paulbuckley Oct 30, 2008 07:38 PM

glad to have you onboard.

regards,
william

Worldsocold Nov 01, 2008 10:50 PM

I saw the pictures of the birthing it would appear to be alive birth? I just find that unique that a cross between a live bearer and an egg layer would have a live birth.
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?" "Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

1.2 Water Pythons (Liasis Fuscus)
1.1 (100% het albino Clark Strain) Retics
1.2 Coastal Carpet Pythons
1.1 Jaguar carpet pythons
1.1 centralian carpets (futo line)
1.1 Irian Jaya carpets (boa cabana)
1.1 Jungle carpets (Futo)
.1 Pitbull Wolfe mix

BackBeat Oct 31, 2008 01:57 AM

...to some of the people in this niche of Herpetoculture.

Especially any territorial idiot who has a problem with non-Ball people buying Balls.

Afterall, some of these same idiots criticize those of us who choose to continue to work with other Herp species.

I like my Ball Pythons, yes, but not nearly as much as I like watching my PoisonDartFrogs boldly strut around their enclosures.
If there are Herps more actively entertaining than PDFs, I've yet to see them.

BB --- CornNut 1st, PDF Junkie 2nd, and BallFan 5th or 6th. lol

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illbeyoursoldier Oct 31, 2008 08:15 AM

Congrats on your new pretty-little egg laying baby. I keep a fair and equal amount of Boas and Balls... (and Chondros and Colubrids), and I have NO shame in it Keep up the goodwork, Boaphile. I'll still be a fan, no matter what herp you venture into :-p
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SnakeCharmer77 Nov 01, 2008 11:08 PM

I confess too... I have two ball pythons (still young 'uns). and while i love my babies and very proud of them, i have been drawn to boas. BUT i worry about having the larger ones because id be the primary care-taker and i worry about handling it alone. (although strong, im 5'1 female)...
AND i have heard that they have bad attitudes...
*sigh*
so ive thought about getting a tattoo of a boa...lol

ive thought about getting into ball breeding too...but i havent decided on that one yet...

perhaps yall can help clear these things up for me...

i wont trade my ball pythons. i love my kids. but well, im still pulled to the boas....
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