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Hello everyone. Okay, I just need to clear something up in my head. Okay, so I understand that you can breed two co-dom males to a single female. I also understand that she can lay eggs from both of the males, and maybe even the two co-dom morphs togeather, right? I'm just wondering if this is like a, once in a life-time thing that happens or is a somewhat realistic way of getting a double co-dom without having any co-dom girls. Thanks everyone...

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Coolluigi

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With some guys on the trucks... Waiting for..
0.1 Het VPI Axanthic
1.0 Yellowbelly
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"Hello everyone. Okay, I just need to clear something up in my head. Okay, so I understand that you can breed two co-dom males to a single female. I also understand that she can lay eggs from both of the males, and maybe even the two co-dom morphs togeather, right? I'm just wondering if this is like a, once in a life-time thing that happens or is a somewhat realistic way of getting a double co-dom without having any co-dom girls."

A clutch can have multiple fathers, but each egg will have only one father, so you can't get double co-dom babies from your example.

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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

What you are referring to would be total insanity and would inspire literally hundreds of scientific papers. An egg being fertilized by 2 sperm? This would produce a triploid rather than diploid offspring, and the details of the fertilization would be something never seen before.

Okay, I didn't know. I was confused myself about it, Lol. I feel stupid now.. Ah oh well. I must have made that one up in my head. Lol, Ah so much for wishful thinking.
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Coolluigi

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0.1 Het VPI Axanthic
1.0 Yellowbelly
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Yea, But Ive seen what looks like a SuperBlast come from a Pinstripe to Pastel... I don't know how, it just was... But Yea Your thinking of two males, say Bee and Lemonblast to a Normal and get SpinnerBlast. The two male Sperms will not make a cross into each other and make a Spinnerblast... It's some nice wishfull Thinking though..lol

Van
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Don't know where that idea popped into my head. OH well
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Coolluigi

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1.0 Yellowbelly
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*

Its wishfull thinking I like it..lol.hahahaha. You'll be a Pro in no time watch.!!

Van
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Forever Trust in what we are,and nothing else Matters

Lol, I hope so... I know it's time for me too switch to f/t. Holy crap I just spent 50 bucks on feeders
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Coolluigi

1.0 Pastel
0.2 Normal
0.1 Spider
1.2 Het VPI Axanthic

With some guys on the trucks... Waiting for..
1.0 Yellowbelly
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*

i breed my own feeders. once in a while i will have to buy mice for my stuborn balls, but all in all i breed, raise, and feed all of my own.

feed 2 rats = ???
grow 2 rats and they produce a litter of 12 = ???

rest my case!

Pitoon

Continue this topc I have other question how will be look (teoreticly) forms of that babies : 25%codomant1, 25% coodominant2, 50% standard or 33% coodominant1, 33% coodominant2, 33% standard ?

Well, the thing is the girl might not end up using sperm from both males or not. So I don't think the odds are quite that even. I dunno, just my thoughts.
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Coolluigi

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With some guys on the trucks... Waiting for..
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yeah, I'm not sure how often a clutch is hatched that was sired by two different males, but it would be very interesting to see the data from breeders.

But as far as each egg is concerned, depending on who the father is, each egg will have the same odds it would have in a more typical 1 male to a female scenario.

Not a huge sampling but of the 6 or so clutches I produced last season where I'd backed up my co-dom male with another co-dom male - about half of them had a mixed representation of both fathers.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Hmm. Interesting. That is almost more often that I thought it would be. which is a good thing!
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Coolluigi

1.0 Pastel
0.2 Normal
0.1 Spider
1.2 Het VPI Axanthic

With some guys on the trucks... Waiting for..
1.0 Yellowbelly
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*

Me too. I wonder what kind of sperm competition/sperm selection may be going on with them.