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Can an eastern our southern be breed to a western hognose?

I don't believe it can be done, and personally I don't think hybridizing hognoses would recieve much support.
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Take care,

Alex Pepper

CBB '07 1.1 Aspidites ramsayi--Woma Pythons (Don Hamper/Rare Earth Stock)
CBB '08 1.1 Bothrochilus boa--Bismarck Ringed Pythons (Tom Keogan Line High Contrast)
CBB '07 1.0 Heterodon simus--High Red Southern Hognose Snake (Tom Pinson Line Red)
CBB '07 1.1 Pituophis catenifer sayi--Marathon, Texas Out-crossed Stillwater Hypomelanistic Bull Snakes
CBB '08 1.1 Pituophis melanoleucus lodingi--Black Pine Snakes (John Ginter Stock)
CBB '06 & '08 1.1 Eublepharis macularius--Blazing Blizzard & Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino Leopard Geckos "Blaze" & "Angie"
CBB '02 0.1 Hemitheconyx caudicinctus--Stiped African Fat-tailed Gecko "Smeagol"
CBB '03 0.1 Canis domesticus--Cocker Spaniel "Cupcake"
CBB '99 0.1 Canis domesticus--Yellow Labrador Retriever "Freckles"

Happy Herping!

actually its been done if you read the article by griswold on southern hognose in the june 2001 issue of reptile magazine. an id like to do the cross my self.

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know if there any pics on the Internet any?
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Take care,

Alex Pepper

CBB '07 1.1 Aspidites ramsayi--Woma Pythons (Don Hamper/Rare Earth Stock)
CBB '08 1.1 Bothrochilus boa--Bismarck Ringed Pythons (Tom Keogan Line High Contrast)
CBB '07 1.0 Heterodon simus--High Red Southern Hognose Snake (Tom Pinson Line Red)
CBB '07 1.1 Pituophis catenifer sayi--Marathon, Texas Out-crossed Stillwater Hypomelanistic Bull Snakes
CBB '08 1.1 Pituophis melanoleucus lodingi--Black Pine Snakes (John Ginter Stock)
CBB '06 & '08 1.1 Eublepharis macularius--Blazing Blizzard & Reverse Stripe Tangerine Albino Leopard Geckos "Blaze" & "Angie"
CBB '02 0.1 Hemitheconyx caudicinctus--Stiped African Fat-tailed Gecko "Smeagol"
CBB '03 0.1 Canis domesticus--Cocker Spaniel "Cupcake"
CBB '99 0.1 Canis domesticus--Yellow Labrador Retriever "Freckles"

Happy Herping!

not sure never looked but the article states that easterns have been crossed to southerns but it also states westerns and southerns are closer related so i makes it very possible to cross southerns and westerns.

all 4 species of heterodon can produce hybrids with each other. Mexican & southerns do. The only 2 that don't meet are east & west.

And where preytell to Mexican and Southerns meet!?! Their ranges do not overlap, and a Mexican are a subspecies of Western. Eastern and Southern occupy the the same range, though Southern have a much smaller area. Western and Eastern do overlap in the central states, such as Texas.
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"When your memories are bigger than your dreams, you're headed for the grave" Author unknown

Um, we have easterns and westerns (westerns are protected) here in IL. Their habitats may be different but I have seen them both in the same general area.

Take care,
Jeff Port

ALL species of Heterodon can hybridize. After all, corns and kings, bulls, milks etc-though completely different species and GENERA-can produce viable, fertile hybrids with each other.

Is it a good idea? In my opinion, no.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

I would also never want to purposefully hybridize them, but where I live in MN, easterns and westerns range overlap and they have been seen in the same general area. Other posters have said the same thing about other parts of the US. I would think that there would be some natural hybrids out there, but have never heard of such a thing. Has anyone else?
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Kevin Collison
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience-C.S. Lewis

>>I would think that there would be some natural hybrids out there, but have never heard of such a thing. Has anyone else?

There is no doubt it happens on occasion but for the most part these species are utilizing different habitats where the ranges overlap. The best places to look for hybrids is in places habitat changes or alteration has put the species in the exact same habitat.

You also have to consider that it is an infrequent event compared to same species breeding, otherwise these speciation events would not have occurred in the first place.

Finally, any hybrids that survive may only be recognizable in the first generation crosses. When and if they breed that generation is 75%/25% and could be difficult to distinguish from natural variation.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
Mexicana Group Directory
Photography by Joseph E. Forks

I have collected easterns and westerns 20 feet apart in dickens county texas.
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....when we used to road cruise everywhere around the country side,(gas was .95/gal), we found what was believed to be a Western/Eastern cross dor. In that area there have been found both Western and Eastern, however there is a noticeable difference. All of the Easterns with exception to one were dark green to black. The other one was a 48" brick red overall with little contrast. From the dorsal,the dor appeared to be Western. Sharp upturned snout, light tan colored hood markings, same typical spotted/saddled pattern and light tan color. The kicker was when we looked at the ventral. Solid white/cream from labial to tail even the vent scale. The tail was also noticeably longer.
While apparent that it was weird, it was tossed to the side of the road and on we went in search of live snakes. Looking back I wished I had owned a camera and even cared about geographic distribution or hybridization as this would be as close as I have ever come to seeing what may have been a true hybrid Eastern/Western.

Pictured below is an unusual Western owned by a friend.