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Who has any creativity any more? Is it just me or does it seem that the only thing, that anybody wants to do is copy the next high dollar morph, that some one already made. I'm not saying that they don't make some cool stuff to work with. They do and have done. I know that Kevin, Brian, TSK, and VPI have just about ENDLESS resourses and combinations to work with. However there are plain just too many morphs out there for something that has not been made by someone other than the mentioned. I guess what I'm tring to say is why don't we start making some morphs on our own, to help releive the presher and stress of the BREEDERS.

Hopefully this guy.
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ive seen that one its the "image didnt post" ball

lol.. super rare image didn"t post bsll will be a sweet cross with a pastel. lol how do you post images?

You should do some research before you post stuff like this. There have been TONS of morphs first produced by other people than those 4.

I agree with Noah --there have been many new morphs/combos produced -- by upstart breeders like me no less! Many breeders are so into getting the 4 and 5 gene animals that they choose not to pair more basic morphs for the one of a kind 2 gene morph. Not a good or bad choice -- just a choice. You can't make everything no matter how many animals you have in your rack. Every new animal a breeder makes allows him--if a male is hatched -- to make another first combo the next season.

It may seem that a fourth gene on top of an exiting 3 may not be "new" -- but it is. I challenge everyone with more than a couple morphs in their collection to think outside the box about what you could make this season with what you have right now. You might have a new combo right under your nose!!! Don't get hung up on $$$ value or how pretty it might not be. Think "NEVER BEEN MADE BEFORE"... Happy hunting.

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Bill Buchman

wait, no I don't. I sit and brainstorm for at least an hour a day with the guys I know that breed snakes. There's about 6 of us. All of us wish we can make the next NEW morph, to hell with big. It would be nice just to say I have something you don't. But what's left???? Maybe something with the fire? Or the Chocolate? How about a fire x chocolate? (I'm sure someone will post a picture of that in a response! LOL)

My point is no matter how hard you try, chances are someone else has done it and you didn't know, someone else is doing it and will beat you, or it's just too expensive to get into right now. You don't think I'd love to make some phantom crosses, or banana crosses, or champaigns......... what "little" breeder has that kind of money????? That's the best and worst thing about this. What's $10,000 today, is $3000 next year and $300 the year after that.

I admire those of you who manage to make new stuff. It's what keeps me coming back. I may not be able to afford the expensive stuff, but I can usually afford the ingrediants to make it myself. If not, I'll wait a year or two. But to think any "little" breeder can compete with the big guys is ambitious to say the least. Maybe one day we'll all be big breeders, but for now, I settle for chasing them.

I wish everyone good luck this season. Maybe a little guy will blow my mind this year.

I'm sure once the next batch of imports roles in...SOMETHING new will pop up. Look at the Enchi...
Something is bound to spring up, both Co-dom and recessive.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

The Enchi didnt just happen to pop up in the last couple of years, its been over in Englad for quite a few years. That morphs downfall is it was made accessible to use and we killed it and the few Brits I know arent happy with the way the pricing went on it but hey it happens to all morphs sooner or later.
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Damian Macioce
www.strongholdreptiles.com

I said all the other stuff We could make and so on and so on. It was good now I see its gone ,please let Me know what I did, again Please let Me know. Maybe it wasn't on perpose. all well I try to help out anyway. And People wounder why I don't post here anymore.

Just let Me know, I re read the TOS and I don't get what I said that was so wrong. I need some help on this one. Thanks

Van
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Forever Trust in what we are,and nothing else Matters

Sorry but no clue what you are talking about. You have not had a post hidden in months. Maybe you forgot to hit submit after you proofed it.
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Ginger Sanders
Staff Director
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OK Thanks ,I was thinking I wasn't rude or a know it all. Like I can be. It was a good story too. Thanks Ginger,maybe something like that did happen. I know there are alot more Morphs to be made as far as new Imports. I don't think they are going to be rolling in like in the past. Its late Good night
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Forever Trust in what we are,and nothing else Matters

Don,t let the so called big guys get in the way of what you enjoy.Yes the money fame and new morphs is great but hatching that first albino spider mojave or any morph new to you is exciting.Also selling a few babies is not bad considering most hobbies get deep in your pocket.Terry

and during my first breeding season in 08 made 2 new combos from morphs that are not expensive or rare (have been around a nearly a decade or more).

The Butter x Cinnamon (Lithium) and the Butter x Yellow Belly (Butter Belly). The Butter Belly is a male ( October hatch) and the plan is to put him on a few morphs late this season and make other new stuff.

I also proved 4 new morphs and have 2 other captive hatched males that seem to surly be throwing visual hets. Both are cool, but the one is different than ANYTHING out there. I am SO sure they are supers and am going to roll the dice and put them on a morph rather than wait for their daughters to grow up -- not what most would do I understand but I don't think I could stand the wait!!!

The big guys SHOULD be able to make animals that most of us can't. They have been around many years, paid their dues, and spent much time, money and energy with their collections. Most of them should be only be respected and admired for that I think.
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Bill Buchman

Listen, I'm with you. The largest of the large breeders have A LOT of snakes. But that doesn't matter........they have so many, it's hard to focus on individual animals like those in smaller collections.......for example, how is it I produced a pastel fire before anyone else? But what I'm getting at is, you have to pay your dues, and life is much easier as a small breeder, because you can focus. This is one of their flaws.......

Next, take BIGGER CHANCES.......and NO, I don't mean more money. I mean SACRIFICE......RISK......for example, do you need to breed a black pastel to a female pied to make a black pastel het? NO......you just need a het female. Easier to acquire, cheaper, and the outcome is the same. It's just that you take a bigger chance that one won't prove out (I know, sometimes there are markers, so maybe the pied wasn't the best example). Downside......nothing in the clutch is really worth selling. So keep them all!

Finally........time to pay dues......it takes TIME. You breed, you hold back, you wait, you breed, you hold back, you wait, you breed, you hold back, you wait.....and it goes on and on! If you are not holding back, you are wasting your BEST investment....because they cost you nothing. And remember, always buy new morphs every year......it doesn't have to be expensive, just something new to play with, something new to add to the collection. If you don't want a large collection, then you make a high quality, low quantity collection......sell your breeder size het pied females when your pied females get up to size......then replace them with the pastel pied you later produce when they get up to size......you collection gets rarer, work is the SAME, and you keep producing crazier and crazier stuff!

Sacrifice.......cleaning cages until the wee hours of the morning.....investing most of my profit back into the business......being available to my customers 24/7 despite what my family or significant other wants......I'm one of the many who has dedicated their lives to snakes. We are the most compassionate of people.........we love snakes......and they don't love us back! It takes someone special! And it has paid off......you think the firepastel is the only first I've done? There are a few others around my place that I have yet to show off........MORE POWER TO THE SMALLER GUYS!!

Produce more......make more to support your addiction......hold more back......pay your dues, and once you hit the top of the hill, it's all downhill after that! It's much easier to produce a first when you have already done it!

Brandon Boeke
Priceless Pythons

Well said Brandon
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Damian Macioce
www.strongholdreptiles.com

I believe! all except the part about the snakes not loving me back.lol.I think they adore me.: ). Faye says no mom..they are sizing you up for a meal..
Toni

LOL I love it!

Brandon Boeke
Priceless Pythons

Nicely said,

Have a great season,
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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid" David Coverdale

Great pics on your ditty and I like what you wrote too. I can't wait to have some of my own hold backs and as you said move from the hets to the fantastic mixes and the morphs to be made from them. Take care and thanks for the fore site Brandon, Jay
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JEM from sunny AZ.

2.16 Normals
6.6 Pastels
3.5 Spiders
0.4 100% het for Albino
1.2 100% het for Clowns
1.2 Cinnamons
1.2 Mojaves
1.1 GCR Black Pastels
1.1 BumbleBees
1.1 Super Pastels
1.1 Lessers
1.1 Fires
1.0 Pinstripe
1.0 Butter
1.0 Albino
1.0 Enchi
0.1 het for Pied
1.1 Brazillian Rainbow Boas
0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
0.0.1 Sulcata Tortoise
80 Tarantulas
2 Leopard Geckos
1 Scorpion
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

I couldn't have thought of a better way too put that! I think that sums up the dreams of alot of the guys/gals here! Good luck to everyone this breeding season!!!
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Coolluigi

1.0 Pastel
1.0 Yellowbelly
0.2 Normal
0.1 Spider
1.2 Het VPI Axanthic
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*

I am a small time breeder, and managed to hatch out this little hottie this year...is it a first? Not sure, but I think it is a Sulfur Mojave Spider.

Dave

NP

Since you asked what the next big morph will be and not what the next combo will be I would say that the answer is very simple. The next big morph is hiding in Africa and the reason that major breeder tend to get them is because they are buying a good amount of imports, breeding them, and hoping it turns out genetic, like the tri stripe from TSK this year. The only way you will find out what the next new morph is by diving into the world of wild types and hoping to prove something out; which if you find something you keep your mouth shut until you prove it because you may simply have a paradox, not a proff, but when it is proven you tell every one!!!

matt

Kinda like the paintballs. They popped out of nowhere with a SICK super.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

How it works is the bigger name breeders buy a ton of normals wc babies which are really hatched on a big breeders land in Africa (who I think alot of you know who he is). So in order to get a shot at buying "the next big thing" the american breeder has to spend a pretty penny buying up normal babies. And as far as the next big thing it maybe new here but dont think its just roaming the wild over there it was produced and released to a big breeder and that breeder was told its something new but come to find out that the big breeder in Africa is producing and selling them to other big breeders, thats the TRUE story of the champagne. So MAYBE you will get something NEW in the next bag of "ch" or "wc" babies you pick up but the shot is one in a trillion for the most part your getting someones throw away normals. So dont buy junk imports buy American hatched normal babies.
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Damian Macioce
www.strongholdreptiles.com

What you are talking about is the next big combo. There is LOTS of chances to make a new combo. There are sooo many different snakes out there.

As for new big base morphs, I'd say the Banana, the whitesmoke, the desert ghost and the toffee ball. All of which have been around for a while but have been out of most peoples reach. Give it two years and these animals will be more reachable and more stunning combos will follow.

I agree woodage, and thats what I said in my above post that was pulled. Maybe I named off to many combos You could do. Its never ending really.like the ..... and the ..... I woun't do it again.

Van
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Forever Trust in what we are,and nothing else Matters

There are many people besides the ones that you mentioned, producing new stuff. Nobody really knows them so you dont hear about it as much. Its harder for the average person to make something new before the bigger guys for the simple reason that it cost money and takes lots of time. Most people dont have the money or the time thats been put into making these new morphs. Im sure you seen the post below taking Vin 12 yrs to produce his new morph. If you have been in this 12 years that makes you pretty big and he just did it this year.

Just some food for thought.
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Chris Farmer
Explicit Reptiles
www.ExplicitReptiles.com

If you had followed the market AT ALL over the last two or three years you might have noticed that most of the new, awesome morphs have come from everyone BUT the "Big Five" or "six" or whatever. Loads of new combinations have come from breeders that we've never heard of or never thought of as a mid or heavyweight in the business. Everyone is pi$$in' and moanin' about the prices of morphs coming down and bottoming out, but if the prices were still where they were four years ago, the only people who could afford most of the ingredients to make the new and wicked looking morphs you're seeing out there today would be the "Big 5,6,7,8,9..." I LOVE that some of the greatest looking new animals out there are produced by the guy who spent $2000 and waited a few year to make it.
This hobby is awesome and you are clueless.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

Man, I agree completely. I'm so tired of people complaining about the drop in price of balls. The REAL problem is that they bought snakes that were way overpriced in the past, and the number of people producing balls has increased at a far greater rate than the market has. Of course the price is going to drop. Plus, the high prices were dictated upon rarity and hype. Once that's gone, the price is going to drop precipitously.

I think the lower prices is nothing but good for the whole community. At lower prices the consumer market expands exponentially. The market will never survive if you continue to sell to other breeders that are essentially your competitors. The idea is to one day make these incredible snakes available to the every day ball python owner, not someone that's only interested in purchasing them as an investment. I don't think the lower prices is marking the end of the ball python morph craze, it only makes it more available to the average small-time breeder. And maybe people will begin to realize that spending a a couple thousand on a nice variety of morphs is a better investment than mortgaging your house and spend tens of thousands on a morph that's going to plummet in price by the time you're ready to breed them. Cuz guess what, the big time breeder has such a surplus of stock that the market is already saturated and there's dozens of other breeders that had the exact same idea.

about prices??? I read the entire thread and I don't recall anyone saying dropping prices was a bad thing? I'm glad they do drop or I wouldn't have anything but a pastel. Some people said stuff is out of their price range, and then added they would buy them in a couple years when they are affordable.

wasn't saying anyone here was, but you hear this stuff all the time. Make your way round the forums and it'll come up a lot.