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Just wondering today. I am pretty sure a rainbow with completely filled crescents is an eclipse, but how many crescents need to be filled in to be an eclipse? just one? Oh and do BRB's usuall have a lot of spots? Mine looks like a dalmation. Sorry about all the questions, i was just curious.

lol, I coined that name a few years back to describe some I had with solid black side spots. It sure did catch on!!

IMO it certainly needs to be more than just one spot lacking a crescent top. IMO it should be one or more of the following with the more it has the higher the "grade" eclipse....

1) Solid black side spots with no crescents (duh) the more the merrier.

2) For those spots that do have crescent color at top, minimal, even broken crescents, maybe only a scale or two. The less light area the better.

3) One of my more extreme Eclipse's (Amber) has lighter blushing towards the middle, not sure if that's a plus or minus when talking Eclipse.

4) By definition we are talking about the upper row of side spots. Many BRB's display a second row of latteral spots, typically with NO crescents and sometimes not full circles, blending into belly area.

Amber:

Amber as a baby:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks! Just wondering.

dave, in your honest opinion, do you think traits like bulleyes and eclipse are genetically inherited? I mean througout your breedings so far, can you pick in which clutches you will get them, which you wont etc etc. Or is it just a random occurence?
Just wondering if we will get to the stage, with predictable traits. From what i have seen so far, it seems just more of a random occurance than anything else.

You and jeff must have an opinion on the genetics of these pattern occurences. I guess what im getting at, is how to we learn to be able replicate the pattern, especially if there is more to it, than just mating 2 bulleyes together f.ex.
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
2.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

in my opinion wich isnt much lol. it is just more of a trait that the mor the parents have the mor elikely you are to get that said triat but does NOT meen that you will get it. just like the color it is not a recessive or dom thing like some but more so the better lookin the parents the better your chances of nice offspring coming from that pairing. thas just my 2cents. we all know dave and jeff will have alot more to say aboutt his and will be better to answer this question

the whole point im trying to get at is where do we go from here with our brbs. Now im very new to this game, but i see a lot of us on this forum with nice collections, collections big enough that we should be able to work out some more genetics behind everything. You look at people like jeff and dave, and the animals they produce, it has been years of selective breedings to get such outstanding looking animals. As jeff said in some post ages ago, the snakes have changed, he commented on the brownish lack lusty colour of the 80's WC imports.
But where do we go now?
I guess i look at what has been done with balls, but probably more similar with BCIs, will rainbows head down that road? I see brbs as the perfect snake, bigger and more inquistive than a ball, but not getting to the size of a bci. Its basically a snake anybody can keep and enjoy. We have seen what those markets have done, and if that can happen in with brbs, we are all in a prime position.
With all the colours and patterns available now, i hope things will be crazy in a few years, when everybody has recessive morphs in their collections, and start to do all the crosses.
Wanna write more, but in a plane and the stewardess looking at me. Give me your thoughts or shoot me down, just throwing out ideas.

Cheers
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
2.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

lol sittin in a plane on kingsnake nice lol you were sayin how brb are perfect snake cuz size color temper etc. i feel same way just wish they would get a little bigger for my liking.

What Tim said many times over!!!

It's a line bred trait, the only eclipse I've seen in my line are related t animals with minimal crescents, just like adults with larger crescents tend to have babies with larger crescents.

It's not a single gene on/off type morph.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

that i was right for once and you had like next to nothing to add wow lol still figured you would have more to say but since i covered it all i think you should send me a prize like maye a magnet lol

time you got it, you've been listing to my ramblings for how long now?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

now why did u have to go and post amber for a example lol now ur just toying with my emotions dave lol

fry another keyboard and monitor!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats