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I'm confused, as usual on the Hypo CA/Salmon/Central American Orange-tail/Pastel lines.
Who's is the Hypo CA? Generic?
Salmon = Ihle
CA Orange-tail = Gee
Besides Ronne, how many Pastels are there? A few others come to mind.
This goes back to the Ivory Ghost discussion.
I thought a Ghost was one of the Hypos X Anery? Not so? Does it have to be a super form of either?
Hypo isn't a purely recessive expression is it? Not polygenetic is it? Not co-dominant is it?
So many questions.
Thanks,
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

WOW ,LOL too many questions to answer in 1 post LOL

>>I'm confused, as usual on the Hypo CA/Salmon/Central American Orange-tail/Pastel lines.
Who's is the Hypo CA? Generic?
Salmon = Ihle
>>CA Orange-tail = Gee
To start off with All Hypo boas excluding true locality type Hypo Boas like (Sonoran, Nicaraguan, recent Panama hypos and The Ronne true Colombian '04 import Hypo) probably originated from 1 guy.

Dr. David Hardy of Arizona around '88 or '89 I believe. Here is the info about Hypo Boas within a Post Jeff Ronne made about Pastel Boa origins:
At this same time Dr. David Hardy of Arizona was working with a Boa he had personally caught while in Panama. This Boa was a female and a Hypo but nobody knew she was a Hypo at the time. Panama is the country to the immediate north of Colombia. He had been breeding her and selling some of these really nice looking babies as "Orange Tails" because that's what they had. Orange Tails. Some babies had these Orange Tails while others did not. I did not know Dr. Hardy but friends of mine did. Marcia Lincoln and the now late Bill Girden. Bill had told me about them and I thought I should get some. The ones with the Orange Tails were $*** each while the regular ones were $*** each. I believe Dr. Hardy donated the money to his local Herp society. These "Orange Tails" were the original Hypos, which I believe are the foundation of all the Hypos folks are working with today.
That's info straight from a Jeff Ronne post.
>>Besides Ronne, how many Pastels are there? A few others come to mind.
Not certain on exact number of Pastel Blood Lines out there.
CCS Chris Canada Smith Pastels possibly some of the best true Pastels.
Summit Line Pastels
Inferno Pastels come to mind
>>I thought a Ghost was one of the Hypos X Anery? Not so? Does it have to be a super form of either?
Hypo isn't a purely recessive expression is it? Not polygenetic is it? Not co-dominant is it?
Hypo probably a Dominant trait ,While Anery trait is Recessive ,Like an Albino is recessive.
So Yes combine Hypo with Anery produce Double het for Ghost Breed DH Ghost Boas together get Ghost Boas. Super happens if your Hypo Boas are Supers.
So Super DH hypo X Super DH Hypo = Super Ghost.
Hope this helps shed light on things a little better.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

So, did R. Ihle and J. Gee get their founder stock from this guy?
Back around that time the only Bci I ever saw in pet shops were these really mellow 3 to 4 ft. pink as heck import hypos with orangish tails. Never did find out for sure where they came from. They were the number one boa on the market where I lived (Houston, TX). They weren't orange, reddish brown, or yellow. They were pink. Maybe they were the original PC Hypo, I don't know. Almost no black on them. They looked most like a Hog Island, but without the gray, the color changes, and the black speckling. Their dorsal saddles were square to rectangular and very uniform. The dorso-lateral inclusions [in the saddles] weren't linear or ovoid -- rather, innocuous to non-existent.
These snakes were lean, had rather narrow heads/snouts and the calmest demeanor ever. I only saw specimens between 2 to 4 ft. long.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

I'd have to search out definite answers. If I remember the original Ihle Salmon came from a pet shop in Arizona. You might find this info on his website possibly. Jeff Gee may have acquired his directly from Dr. Hardy can't remember forsure.
I can't really answer as to what Boas you were looking at in the pet shops back in the day.I don't know how many Dr. Hardy sold to pet shops before it was realized something quite special was occurring. I don't think I'm allowed to put number prices in a post. I believe normals in the litters were going for half a buck "fifty",and Hypos in those litters went for a buck "one hundred".
I really have no idea what was in those shops in TX.What you described were not by me locally. I never went to any shops closer to Chicago.
. . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz