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Where can you find these, do people bring them to shows??? I have never seen one in real life before and I have only seen a very few pics, I was just wondering if there are some few that only major breeder have them and even so do they ever bring them out?

matt

There are only a small group of breeders working with this morph. The original "Banana" came in and was mistaken for a new line of caramel, so it was passed over several times and belongs now to Will Slough. He has produced a few banana's and Banana Clowns from that female. Only a few have been sold and are in collections. The chances of seeing one at a show are very slim since anyone that has one is keeping it a top secret project. Well except for Brock Wagner now who loves to jut tell everyone what he has...haha just teasing Brock. Anyway it is an awesome morph and pictures never do the animals justice. Hopefully in the next couple of years there will be a few at shows and the market will be available to more than just a couple of individuals. Sorry for the rant...

I hear that NERD imported the first one "coral glow" and produced a pastel coral glow and a coral glow bee from a bee X coral glow breeding. He kept the bee and the pastel coral glow lives with VPI. You can check out a little history on them on the ball python gallery on NERD's site.

I know that the banana, coral glow, and whitesmoke are the same morph. I was just being specific to the "banana" project. Will names his line that.... Just like everyone else they have their line and their name for it. I know there are a few breeders out there and I am sure there is a larger group of them then what we all know of... well we all know of a few now..haha love that pic. I saw that before and that calico is awesome.....

The Banana and Coral glow are not the same. The coral glow was produced from the whitesmoke and the banana was imported as is.
Jeff

Not the same snake but same type of morph...
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

It could be a little tricky to test if they are even mutations of the same gene much less if they are exactly the same mutation of the same gene. Has a homozygous been proven of either yet and if so what do they look like? Eventually enough breedings will be done to figure it out.

If i am not mistaken they have different eye colors. The coral glow was the result of the whitesmoke and an undisclosed morph. I think Will may be breeding banana to banana this season.
Jeff

No clue...but they look the same to me.
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

they are definately the same. pastels of each version are identical. the whitesmoke was a very old animal. both regular versions are identical also. cetain people out there don't want to think that there animal is the same as someone elses. an established line of albinos and an import albino are still albinos.

Maybe Brock can shed some lite on this he now has boyh and says they are not the same. The whitesmoke is so not the same. The banana was imported before the whitesmoke was and is older now to but still looks nothing like the whitesmoke. It is similar to the coral glow but not the same. It would be nice to know what the whitesmoke was bread to to make the coral glow.
Jeff

why are they listed as the same morph in the reptile books. vpi and nerd

Because both authers had not seen a banana in person at the time of writting.
Jeff

hard for me to beleive since NERD aquired his animal in '04 I beleive and VPI received one from him the following year....

You are correct and the banana was the year before. I was with Will Slough at the Daytona show when he got the call that the banana was in.
Jeff

You have to remember a coral glow was not imported it was made using the imported whitesmoke and an undisclosed morph.
Jeff

Ok? So when you go on NERD's Ball Python Gallery and click on Coral Glow it says AKA White Smoke. He then explains a little about it and discloses the first breeding to a bee and says what was produced. Don't know why this is so difficult to understand?

I went and looked and it says Coral Glows descend from our original Whitesmoke male. Does not say what the whitesmoke was bread to. Then goes on to say In 2005 we produced our first combinations with this morph. With the coral glow not the whitesmoke. Not real hard to understand at all. If you see the original whitesmoke it does not look like the coral glow. If the whitesmoke was bread to a spider the result would not be the same as a coral glow bread to a spider.
Jeff

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/traits/coral_glow.asp

Seems to me they are the same.

First off they have not been proven dominant. No 2 have been bread together to see if there is a super form yet. And like i said we do not know what made the coral glow. There is only one person that can clear that up for us. We can go back and forth all day on this that is what is great about our country we are allowed our own opinion. With that said i hope everyone has a very productive season. I am sure there will be more exciting morphs produced for us to have different opinions of.
Thanks,
Jeff

Opinions are great! In this case though some of us are respoding to what breeders have documented. On the other hand others are speculating.

On nerd's section for the coral glow he states the first combo was in 2005 to a bee. He says that the coral glow is descended from the white smoke, yes, but no combo was mentioned to make the coral glow. He named it the coral glow because the babies are so colorful. He states that they fade overtime. Why would he say AKA whitesmoke if they are not the same?

Anyway I hope all have a good season!

you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. sometimes the writing on the wall i guess is to big to read. all of the major breeders count them as the same. some people just have to think what they have is unique. plus , kevin's is the same they don't want to admit just like everything else he probably has an arsenal already which puts their project on shakey ground.

Yes it is documented that the coral glow was produced from the whitesmoke. Nothing documented on what else was used. You dont find that odd. He has been asked and answered its a secret. I have no stake in this. I do not own either. It just amazes me how many people will assume that what ever a big breeder says must be gospel. I believe there is something called a lemming. Why if the whitesmoke and coral glow are the same would the same breeder give them two different names. Some things just make you say hmmm. And i have talked personaly to alot of big breeders that do agree there not the same.
Jeff

I am on the phone with Kevin right now and he says the Whitesmoke is the same as the Coral Glow he just got the Whitesmoke when it was imported as an older animal. Once he produced babies and saw the brilliant colors...he changed the name. So...they are one in the same. End of discussion?
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

Thanks for the clarification Matt!

Best of luck to ya this season!

Alan

I believe there are a few breeders that are working with the bananas and coral glows (same type of animals). They are nice and if you are good enough and lucky enough you could make one of these with one...

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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

What is that? I'm almost thinking a Calico Banana? WTF man where'd that come from? lol
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

Hey Luke,

That is a Kevin McCurley masterpiece and I am not sure if that was one he was letting out of the bag yet (if not sorry Kev). But I think this one is ok to show. He's gonna hit me when he sees me!

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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

calico banana maybe..........what about a super pastel banana/coral glow/whitesmoke?

.........on a cracker!

One of my 5 favourite combos thus far.

Banana Calico is my guess...

Secrets?
Ridiculous at this point in the Ball game. (I can't be the only person thinking this, sorry.)

Thanks for sharing the two new Banana combos.

BB
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Man... That was a sweet looking snake... I can't get over it...
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Coolluigi

1.0 Pastel
1.0 Yellowbelly
0.2 Normal
0.1 Spider
1.2 Het VPI Axanthic
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*