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Brock is the new king of the mountain. Imagine what he will become in a year or two?!?!?!? He is a FREAK!!!!! I kenw it was coming.......

Joe

Edited on November 16, 2008 at 14:35:46 by PHGinger.

it's unfortunate that he didn't win with skill. When I see someone beat Randy Couture, I want to see them beat him by being a better fighter. Not just because they're throwing fists the size of bowling balls with 280 lbs behind them!

I like Lesnar and I know he'll be around in MMA for a while, but I don't feel like he deserves the belt (from a skill set standpoint) at this point in his career. I'm eager to see him learn and develop as a fighter, and hopefully gain a bit of humility and respect as well.

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Jonathan Brady
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Imagine how good he will be in a year or two. Give him a 18 months and I think he will give Fedor a fight!!!!! He is a freak of nature......

Joe

"it's unfortunate that he didn't win with skill. When I see someone beat Randy Couture, I want to see them beat him by being a better fighter. Not just because they're throwing fists the size of bowling balls with 280 lbs behind them! "

That's exactly why MMA is not a legitimate professional sport.

Ernie Eison
Westwood Acres Reptile Farms Inc.

oooh... I gotta disagree with you Ernie. I think that's why Brock Lesnar isn't a TOP LEVEL mma fighter. I don't think it discredits the sport in any way. I do think it exposes the lack of talent in the heavyweight division though.

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Jonathan Brady
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Ernie are u kidding me... it isnt a legitimate sport???
What is it then???

As a mixed martial artist myself these are top athletes in top level competion. This is the fighting sport of the future!
These are trained athletes that have to know all of the aspects of the fight game. Modern day gladiators that have the balls to get in the cage and leave it all on the line. I have the most respect for these fighters and is a legitimate sport and the the fastest growing sport there is right now.
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Richard Ceniceros
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Oh and by the way Fedor will eat up Brock lesnar and day.
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Richard Ceniceros
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No I'm not kidding . Its a spectacle not a legitimate professional sport. That's why a guy from Youtube got paid more for single fight then anybody in MMA history and Brock Lesnar who's sports background is a college wrestling career that was over nearly ten years ago, can jump in from out of no where and destroy a MMA legend. Not to mention Dana White pays celebrities more then some of the fighters to show up at the events as part of the hype. In what real professional sport do things like this happen The whole thing is a circus .

I can't see the Yankees looking on youtube for their next star. Lesnar proved he can win in the UFC but he couldn't get thru a full training camp in the NFL.

Popularity and legitimacy do not go hand in hand. Lame cookie cutter cds top the charts poorly made remakes pack theaters .The UFC is just another sign of the low standards now being excepted as quality entertainment . Also don't discount the fact that alot of MMA popularity stems from the same thing that made Zena the warrior princess a hit.

Ernie Eison
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Ernie you are crazy, lol. First off no the yankees won't look on youtube for their next big star, they look in poverty stricken countries and USE and underpay kids who have no other option. Then they put them in minor leagues to fine tune them for a few years and then maybe move them up to the majors.

Brock did not choose to fight in the lower MMA divisions. He wanted to fight the best. Frank Mir showed him that he needed to develop some ground game defense and beat him. This is a man that has emersed himself into MMA. He trains 6 days a week with some of the best camps in the world. HE IS A NATURAL ATHELETE. You state he couldn't make it through an NFL training camp, heck 3/4 of college football players can't and they have played football their entire lives. Brock decided he wanted to try football out and out of pure natural ability made it further than 99% of all people who play the game so I guess football isn't a legitimate sport either.
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In MLB, Like all legitimate professional sports if you can't really do it your not going to be doing it. No body comes straight from the back yard and gets stardom , money and top billing. That only happens in MMA.

I didn't state Lesnar couldn't make it through an NFL training camp. He didn't . Theres no fomar WWE stars or Kimbo slices in the NFL that's why it is legitimate . Only the best play on game day. Lesnar found out NFL means NOT FOR LONG for bums and wannabe's . Your not going to walk in after not doing anything real for years and make the team . Not in any professional sport . That's one of a million things that separates legitimate professional sports from the hack world of MMA. Frank Mir is a very experienced former UFC champion . It was Lesnars first real fight and Mir escaped by the skin of his teeth. Now one fight later Lesnar is the UFC champion. A complete joke.

MMA fans keep trying to use popularity as a point of validation . I guess then fiddy cent is a great musician. He fills the mma criteria for great. Sells lots of cd's , gets endorsements and movie parts. That makes Fiddy a great musician in the same way MMA guys are great athletes . Flash over substance has always been a big seller .

Dana White is smart he knows exactly how to exploit the fighters and the fans. That's why he wants Kimbo on the Ultimate fighter reality show and is willing to put , Gulp.... former WWE bad guy Ken Shamrock in a another fight. Couture has to fight two more times and you can bet he will try to milk Liddle like Shamrock. The UFC is the MMA organization that is supposed to be the best of the best but in the end it's promoted like a rock concert and not as sport.

The match between Coutour and Lesnar was the perfect example . It's not about sport it's about the spectacle . A WWE guy , a guy yelling about the party after the fight, porn star sitting front row anything and everything to sell tickets . A circus . Unlike professional sports that is driven by the quality of the athletes involved MMA is driven by spectacle. If Couture didn't want Lesnar they could have plugged in a fat Chuck Liddle. It still would have sold and been just as entertaining .

Ernie Eison
Westwood Acres Reptile Farms Inc.

for 1 Brock has been trainning in MMA for coming close to 3 years before he even attempted to step into the cage/ring..he has been trainning with Erik Paulson, a very accomplished MMA athlete, look him up...you seem to speak of only the major names that most general fans/haters know. These are world class athletes....yeah he didnt make a NFL team...so...that doesnt make him less of an athlete just not a football player... I mean take a look at the number of heisman winners who dont make the NFL,...its not easy...but I can guarantee you this take an NFL athlete and put him in the cage with a trainned MMA athlete and he would be lucky to escape with his arm still attached to his body....

There are drunk guys in bars that can punch out an NFL player or an NBA guy . Beating someone up doesn't make you a great athlete. That being said I have no doubt there many professional athletes from legitimate sports that could make a successful transition into MMA. On the other hand there is no way anybody is going to come out of the UFC and be able to compete in the NFL, MBA , NHL , NBA .................... Soccer, Tennis . No matter who trains them or how long they practice.

Not making it in football doesn't make Lesnar less of an athlete it's the fact that he couldn't make in any professional sport at this point that makes him less of an athlete.

Where could a 30 year old guy who hadn't been doing anything competitive for years compete as a professional. Answer NO WHERE ! Only in the bootleg world of MMA is this guy a champion .

Ernie Eison
Westwood Acres Reptile Farms INC.

If it is not legitimate then stop watching... You seem to know a lot about MMA for someone who think the sport is not legitimate?

Again the sport is in its infancy you will see the best of the best years down the line.
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Richard Ceniceros
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You have no idea what you are spewing....for starters most of these MMA athletes have been trainning since they were children. The more successful guys are well versed in BJJ,Muy Thai,Wrestling,boxing, amongst other skills. To deny that these guys arent top athletes is just crazy...i mean seriously...
I know of a few NFL athletes who tried to make the switch....it didnt turn out so well for them...
You speak of Kimbo, but to the real MMA fancier he was just a joke. Ken's best days are way behind him, while Frank still is a top notch fighter...but none of these 3 are with the UFC.

I have a pretty good idea. Bob Sapp ? That third string CB clown who had a cup of with the lions that tried ? NFL wash outs. Nobody leaves big time professional sports until they have to. Can't make it. Ed Jones tried boxing at the end of his career and got hammered just like Lesnar would. The guy that beat Lesnar when Brock was at his best now plays in the NFL . Your right a lot of these guys train MMA their life but in the end.......................

Tank Abbott walked in off the street with NO SPORTS BACKGROUND . NONE. In his 30s This big sloppy untrained mess not only won a couple times in the UFC he fought UFC super fight champion Oleg Tartakov one of the worlds most supremely conditioned martial artist. A guy who was as skilled as anyone who's ever gotten in the octagon and Abbott lost because he tired out after beating the crap out of him for 17 minutes. Tartakov had to carried out at the end. Only in MMA.

Thanks for bringing Shamrock and Kimbo back up now go back and read what I wrote. You made my point in SPADES.

Ernie Eison
Westwood Acres Reptiles Farms Inc.

With this logic, technically TNA wrestling could be considered real since Angle was actually an olympic wrestler.

And I may be wrong, and Im quite sure the boys will correct me, but I do believe Ken Shamrock was originally with UFC prior to going to WWE.

Now both WWE and UFC are sports. I feel UFC is a legit sport as opposed to the sports entertainment of the WWE. Both require one to be able to do various things physically.

Having trained in my past with martial arts, I give far more validity to UFC. The winner is not predetermined. Yes I do feel some folks are in there to create a mainstream popularity and Brock is one of them.

I was listening to a Rich Franklin interview on the radio last week. Honestly the things he does for his pre-fight training is pretty intense. From diet to exercise, it is a full time commitment. And before being an MMA fighter, he was a school teacher.

I think down the road there are two paths this can take. Either head more into the entertainment portion and book things for sensationalism or more into the land of boxing where it is the strength, training and technique. I do hope they choose the latter.

Personally I enjoy watching lower weight classes on these sports. Far more entertaining to me.
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The WWE is not real competition so it's not a real sport.
Ballet dancers are very athletic but dancing isn't a sport. Fishing is a sport but requires no athleticism except on the part of the fish.

MMA is a sport but has major credibility problems like boxing. I don't deny the guys are dedicated and train hard but overall MMA is run like a circus.

Ken Shamrock was one of the original UFC guys he help to put MMA on the map before leaving. Since coming back he's been knocked out 8 times in ten fights. The UFC is suppose to be the gold standard of MMA and they want to put this guy back in there again. The two guys Shamrock wants are Kimbo Slice from youtube or his adopted brother frank .Who hates him. As long as they sell tickets the UFC will never place sport in front of spectacle.

Ernie Eison
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Josh
Well said.
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Richard Ceniceros
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Not a legit sport, are you kidding me....I don't think to many other sports/forms of combat showcase such a wide variety of skills...and yes on most days anyone can beat anyone...
Was Brocks overwhelming size a factor , you bet...thats why Randys best suited at 205, where he is the bigger man usually..there are other HWs who wont be dwarfed by Brock. i.e.
Nog (who will beat him when they fight), Carwin,Valesquez,Kongo,the list can go on. Brock did use skill, maybe you'd didnt see much but he is a world class wreslter in the cage with another world class wrestler..and please o please don't compare or even speak of Fedor/Brock...Brocks a fine fighter but will never....ever have the skill set of Fedor and would get mauled by him now or in years to come....

No I'm not kidding . Jonathan mentioned the lack of talent in the heavy weight division . Boxing had the same problem. This is because most of the guys that have the great combination of size and athleticism along with background go into legitimate professional sports. The guys that are left end up in the WWE , MMA . What ever. They might make it there and not have to work a real job. Why would any body go into the UFC for peanuts if they had what it takes to play somewhere legitimate and earn the big bucks. Even Lesnar was bright enough not to that. Now he doesn't have much choice.

Lesnar never proved himself as a world class wrestler. He was a guy who years ago had a nice college career before becoming a sports entertainer and now UFC heavy weight champion . Couture never got passed being an Olympic alternate back in the 1900`s. There's a million things I could add but this is a boa forum .

Ernie Eison
Westwood Acres Reptile Farms Inc.

the talent...sure was lacking however there are a handful of promising young guns (carwin,valesquez,dos santos,lesnar) to name a few and with Elite going under Silva and Rogers would be decent additions. I know Randy had dreams of the Olympics but he won his fair share...you cant deny Brock is a athletic "freak" of sorts...its obvious that MMA is the fastest growing sport going..
As far as paydays go...the top tier fighters make pretty serious bank...like boxers? maybe not the top end guys but look where boxing is headed...Top MMA fighters are millionaires, are picking up endorsements,tv spots,movie rolls,etc etc etc..
MMA viewer wise is gonna be ahead of hockey, and no doubt posses a risk to baseball and basketball...

You think if they are top talent athletes then they have to play in the NBA, MLB or the NFL. Some people are good at game sports and others arent, some like to fight.

This sport is still in its infancy and in the near future it will have even more bid pay days like boxing. Like i said before this is the fighting sport of the future, boxing is going out. You also know nothing about pays in mma, just because they disclose a figure doesnt meant thats all they got paid. Lots of fighters are making a million a fight, in the next 5-10 years the best of the best will compete in MMA and the pay days will probably be 5-10 million a fight.

Ive said it before this is just the beginning for this sport, now lots of people are paying attention and becoming MMA fans.
I have been a fan since the early 90's when i was a kid. This fighting sport is very exciting and will continue to grow. You will see.
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Richard Ceniceros
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This is a great sport. Just watching these guys train and workout is fun.
I just hope people, promoters like Don King are not allowed to gain so much power and
control over the sport. This is part of what ruined boxing.
Didn't this sport morph from Kick Boxing ? I know kick Boxing was a growing sport back in the '80's.
I knew a few pretty skilled kick Boxers.
MMA is fun to watch.
. . . . . Lar M
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Noguiera is going to prison rape Lesnar!!!