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I'll start.

Fast growing female

This male gets nicer w/ each shed

Bit of a picky eater here, but worth the work.

Same clutch as the above gentilis but much better eater.

Great looking wild gentilis from Kansas.

Some people don't like black cross-overs. Weird, I do.

Adult male

Belly shot of the above male.

Another field shot from Kansas.

L.t. gentilis are cool. mmkay

Moving on too L.t. syspila

Great looking adult male, and so easy to keep as a captive too.

More reds.

Little het. hypo., nonfeeder in this photo. But eating full pinks every three days now. I need to up date her photo. She is a neonate to the first syspila in this post.

Hypo. male, sibling to the het. above.

This hypo. will breed for the first time next year.

Maybe to this female.

Another hypo.

Not a het. or hypo., just a normal nice looking syspila.

Okay, I'm tapping out. Let's see what other people have for gentilis and syspila.
-Dell

Dell:

Man I love those syspilia. Those are amazing. I may have have asked before, but how big do they get and how difficult are they to start feeding?

You've got such an amazing variety of native herps out in your area. In Massachusetts, we don't have a whole bunch but it seems the Eastern population in my neck of the woods is exploding (see the pic). I've found six babies that someone how made it into my cellar this fall including one last week. That's pretty late considering how cold it is here.

Rob

..few years back a guy at work says he found a cornsnake...(milk)....in his sandbox....he saw a hole in the sand and stuck his fingers in there, dug around a little and pulled out a small adult milk.......I asked what he did with it ,because I knew....he says he threw it over by the bank (embankment)...there's lots of holes and stuff there....

...nice...except it was 20 degrees with 4 inches of snow on the ground...

wonder how the milk did?.....we may be surprised....????

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Hey Rob,
I've got a large female here that is over three feet-ish, and 280 grams. But most my adults max out at 200 grams. As far as starting neonates, they are not as easy as Hondurans to start. And some tricks will need to be used such as, tails, pinkheads, anole parts, gecko parts, and then scenting pinks. Most have taken off with in the first 6 weeks after their first shed.
I have to admit I enjoy working w/ the syspila a little more then the gentilis, and I think it's because they are such good eaters once started.
Now w/ that said the first gentilis in the photos took a pink after her first shed and has never missed a feeding, in blue or other wise. But the syspila are a bit more consistent over all.

I seem to remember you had t. triangulum in your basement last year too, right? I think the gods are trying to tell you something Rob, keep and breed t. triangulum and they will come.

Talk to you soon,

-Dell

This NB male is about 2 years away from breeding size
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2 Adult male KS

3 NB adult male

4 KS pair

Since these snakes colors change with age and its hard to tell how big a snake is in a photo I think its a good idea to mention if a snake is a adult or not.
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Doug L

Hey Doug,
Nice looking gentilis you have there. Is that first NE. animal an intergrade? You have posted him before right? I'd like to see a full body shot sometime, if you could.
And I really like the look of the last two KS animals. You could produce some killer looking neonates from them.

I've been playing around w/ getting shots of the ventral, because of your intrest in ventral shots. I'll get better ones, just fooling around here.

-Dell
South Dakota, multistrata.

Here is a few more photos. The third snake in my above post was a adult male from so. east nebraska that never ate and died.It may have been the nicest from that location I have seen. Below are a few more pics of him

These flint hills milks are some of my cleanest in that they have very small newsprinting and a overall grey background instead of white with more obvious large newsprint like snakes from further east and west.They also have a nice orange color that they retain as adults

Flint Hills Female

Flint Hills male below

another of male trying to eat two fussies at one time God bless the good feeders

flint hills female below. Note that this snake has the same odd third blotch as the male above both snakes are wild caught from the same area a few years apart

I hope these two breed in the spring
Dell email me if you want details
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Doug L

I mistook the above 1st pic as a so.east nebraska male. Further review of my photos indicate that its a north east Kansas female.I pulled her out of the cold room to check and she is about 2 or 3 years away from breeding size.Full body shots are no easy task so ill give you these.





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Doug L

Dell,

All I can say is, WOW, those are smokin. Great snakes all around but those syspila are something else. Those hypos are too much man, those are great.

Dave

DNS Reptiles

Thanks Dave,
It's been fun working w/ the hypos. and trying to build a good group of them.
Nice looking triangulum Dave. Good to see someone like yourself working w/ a group of them.

By the way, your fingers tips look HUGE in that photo.

-Dell

Dell, I got a great laugh out of your comment. I never noticed anything strange about the photo until you made the comment. Not sure how they got so distorted in the photo...

Dave

You dog! I haven't snapped a pic in months and can't keep posting the same old pix every year.....grrrr.....I probably should get new pics while the little rats are stiff from the cold. Need a day off from work too.

Nice results from the Frankenspila lab - good looking hypo hatchlings and that 2nd from the bottom pic really resembles one of the types from AL. I know it's not but he's a ringer.

Awesome post Dell, the kids look great and have grown nicely! Super bunch of milks you got there bud!
Jeff

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I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way. - Robert Frost, 1935

I was hoping you'd come in on this post and show a few of your jewels from the "dungeon".
Come up for air Jeff, and quit working so hard. It'd be great to see more of your stock.

-Dell
Elsworth co.

A little more selectie breeding and the Gentilis with the numerous crossovers would look very similar to a Todos Santos huh?

dc

If you mean Todos Santos lampropeltis getulus, I get what your saying. Is that what you mean? And if so, I agree.

-Dell

thats a good one Dell.
L8r

Thanks Shannon,

Can't get these Pales to crossover, and not sure I want them to either.

Thomas county, NE.

L.t. gentilis/multistrata

this is a year or two old. What I like about it is how the cross overs are equal along the entire length.
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Doug L

If you didn't indicate that your 2nd syspila is a syspila, I would have thought it was a temporalis. Sometimes the 2 "subspecies" look so much a like its hard to tell which is which.

PB

I meant to attach this post to TerryD's original post above.

Milk Doug, you are quite the milk man! Nice snakes.

PB

Paul, Two the the four hatchlings from the gravid female you found have eaten ft pinks,a third ate a pinkie head and the fourth ate a small worm snake

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Doug L

Really like that first photo Doug. Nice job.

-Dell

Stillwater county, multistrata

That's great!