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This is Solaris, a female year and a half old Hogg IsleXMexican BCI.

I think it doesn't come as a shock to anyone that she has Salmon in her. However I don't know if she's a Sunset Cross, or full Sunset. Sunset Cross being a Salmon, Sunset being Super Salmon.

When she began her life she had black boarders around her tail blotches- these are now gone and replaced with a rich deep brown.
Due to this fact I had no reason to think she was an especially clean and good looking Salmon until I saw that her tongue had slight red pigmentation to it- which to my understanding, is one of the definitive identification marks for a Super Salmon.

Thoughts anyone?

A super hypo is a homozygous hypo, a regular hypo is heterozygous but the hypo gene is displayed because it is dominant over wild-type. In order to even have a chance of being a super, both parents would have had to be at least regular hypos. Remember too that the genetic mutation is considered hypo, salmons are a bloodline of hypo started by Rich Ihle. Read this and see if it helps you at all:

http://www.salmonboa.com/Salmongenetics.htm

So if you bred two regular hypos together in a perfect world you'd get 25% supers, 50% hypos, and 25% normals. You cannot visually tell those supers apart from the regular hypos, you have to breed them to prove them out. Some people can take a pretty solid guess when choosing which snake to buy as to if it has a good shot of being a super based on certain characteristics, but the only definitive way to determine is through breeding.

Super Salmon is visibly different on babies... that much I can say for sure for I have seen all the siblings and you could definitely set them into two groups- one was dark reddish and the other was bright pink. At least in the case of these babies(Sunset).
The parents were both Salmon Hogg Hypo

Some of those "visibly" different Supers have proved out to NOT be Supers, and vice versa. While you can make an educated guess, you won't know for sure untill you prove it to be a Super.
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South Central Herpetological

In your 1st statment you said -- "Hogg IsleXMexican BCI". Obviously their is also Hypo genes in their as well , but the real question to me is --
In my understanding a Hyp/Hog, or Sunset must have at least 50% or more Hog Isl. In other words if you take a Hypo/Hog and breed it to a Hypo, making them 75% Colombian and 25% Hog, they are no longer Hypo/Hogs or Sunset status. So I wonder, since you state that their is also Mexican in her, what her actual percentages are - if you can even call her a Hypo/Hog or not.
I will also say that , yes it is true that Supers must be proven to be sure that they are Supers, but in the Sunset breedings , the differences of the Supers are even more obvious in babies than standard HypoxHypo breedings. And it's much easier to pick the probable Super with 90+ % confidence
Just my .02$

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Snake room janitor

That's interesting. I was actually wondering that as I was typing my response since I see so many known super hypo hogs being sold. Thanks for the info!