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What do you get when these are crossed? I just purchased two siblings form this cross. The breeder was calling them ultra ambers.....I can get some pics up here in a few days (tomorrow) haha.

Thanks!
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Scott
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Einstein

Sorry for the crummy pics...best i can do untill I get a better camera :/

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Scott
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Einstein

If you breed 2 golddusts,you should get roughly one half golddusts, one quarter butters,and one quarter ultra-caramels.
Hope this helps.
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Arlon Delorge
Classic Constrictors

There's a question as to whether or not you can *reliably* identify a gold dust from an ultra caramel w/o breeding trial to an amel.

Also - I think some breeders are calling ultra caramels "gold dust" whether or not there is an amel gene.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

So a true gold dust carries the amel gene? I mean the two I have were from a pairing of gold dusts (a reputable breeder) the 2 babies look a bit different one has a much brighter yellow but both are beautiful....I just want to be sure to what I have and what they might produce. Thanks!
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Scott
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Einstein

It depends upon your definition.

According to 2008 CMG - goldust is either ultramel caramel or homo ultra caramel. From what I understand, it only includes them both because if you have a clutch that can produce both ultras and ultramel - there is no reliable way to tell them apart.

Apparently you can make good guesses most of the time, but not perfectly.

Classic gold dust definition I believe was Caramel Ultramel which would mean that yes, a gold dust carries the amel gene.

If you expand gold dust definition to include caramel ultra than an ultramel may or may not carry the amel gene (but always carries at least one copy of the ultra gene).

So - ultramel X ultramel if both carry 1 copy of the amel gene and 1 copy of the ultra gene would result in:

~ 25% caramel amel (butter)
~ 25% caramel ultra
~ 50% caramel ultramel (gold dust)

You won't be able to reliably tell the 25% caramel ultra from the 50% caramel ultramel. Some experienced breeders may guess right most of the time, but apparently none can guess right all the time.

Butters, if produced, should be easy to distinguish.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Ultramels don't have a specific set look.. They can be rather light to way dark.. There is no for sure way to be able to ID a straight utlra this or that unless you do breeding trials.. I have pictures of numerous ultramels where their colours are so differnt from each other.. Light to dark..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

And THIS is why I will stay out of the Ultra / ulramel gene! lol.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"The more things change, the more they remain Insane"

Chicken! *lol*

Strange days indeed..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

I'm staying away from Ultra because I'm not personally that fond of it. I am curious as to whether or not it is the same thing as Peanut Butter in Brooksi though. I'm guessing it is at least allelic.

As far as the hypo morphs go - I really like lava. Someday I'll get ahold of the lava gene ...
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Maybe someone has hit me in the head to many times.. But from seeing and Ice and Ultramel Aneries together.. I actually have some difficulty trying to distinguish any really different look... *shrugs* Seen Topaz that seemed to me looked no different than the average golddust.. Of course I don't expect a wide varience with lava like I see from time to time with ultra..

Regards.. Tim of T and J