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spine kinks from incubation?

insangelic Dec 02, 2008 11:44 AM

I hatched a clutch of 50% het pieds this past summer and recently noticed that all of the babies have a "bump" on the spine almost right above the cloaca. You can't see it but you can definitely feel it when you run your fingers down the spine. Feels like a round bone but the tails are still straight with the spine.

I hatched a clutch of black pastels also, but there were no noticeable bumps in that area. The only difference between the two clutches was that the het pied clutch was maternally incubated for about a week since I missed the lay date. Besides that, both clutches were placed in the same incubator in the same tub.

My buddy recently acquired several ball pythons and noticed the same "bump" in that area.

I googled my a$$ off already and can't seem to find any answers. So please advise!

1. Can the incubation method influence the formation of kinks?
2. Is this a common occurrence?
3. Should I risk breeding any of these "kinked" snakes? (I've heard that males have a hard time locking up and females are more prone to being egg bound.)

Side note: Even though the het pied clutch hatched and was healthy they were slow to start eating. 2 of 5 have already died. The third baby is still being helped with assist feeding, it also has the largest bump.

It is kind of sad. I feel like scrapping my pied project and starting over

Any input is much appreciated!
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Replies (9)

chadpramsey Dec 02, 2008 12:17 PM

i'm not sure about the incubation temps effecting kinking. but i find it very interesting that the snake pictures had a white dotted line almost all the way down it's back.

mugencrx Dec 02, 2008 12:44 PM

thats unfortunate about the humps and the deaths of ur hatchlings. those white dots are xtremely odd though

umeir Dec 02, 2008 01:01 PM

I think those "white dots" may have been placed there by the OP to mark where the spine is.

mugencrx Dec 02, 2008 01:39 PM

lol i didnt even realize that

jyohe Dec 02, 2008 03:33 PM

the dots are just like little bubbles under the skin...alot of babies have it when they hatch,...they go away after first shed....

.....they all don't have it........

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insangelic Dec 02, 2008 02:13 PM

>> i'm not sure about the incubation temps effecting kinking. but i find it very interesting that the snake pictures had a white dotted line almost all the way down it's back.

EricIvins Dec 02, 2008 01:45 PM

Usually kinks that far down are caused by mishandled probing attempts. Kinks can come from many different things, and incubation is one of them.
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insangelic Dec 02, 2008 02:18 PM

>>Usually kinks that far down are caused by mishandled probing attempts. Kinks can come from many different things, and incubation is one of them.

jyohe Dec 02, 2008 03:35 PM

kinks can be anywhere

I had some this year at the vent...on the top...facing downwards...

it happens...

too wet of eggs
too hot
maybe too cold?
maybe too dry?
mother was too cold during the time she was gravid
mother was malnourished

...top 2 are the most common....

....they are usually not genetic....

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