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After the good discussion on the forum yesterday about "Black" Peruvians I decided to drag this girl out of her cage for some sorry inside nighttime photos with the flash (I promise when the weather warms up I’m dragging the whole collection outside for some decent shots). What you cannot see is the gold outline on her topside. In person the gold and black are striking. I bought her because of her uniform pinched saddles - I didn't realize she would be evolving into a “black” boa. Honestly - I really don't like the term "Black" Peruvian. She is not completely black and I don't think I've ever seen one comletely black. Kinda a misleading label. "Black" Peruvians are not for everyone, but I must admit I love the way she looks. A little diversity never hurt the collection...lol

Her is what her color was about a year ago. Don't know how much blacker she will get...

Take care and thanks for looking at my crappy photos..lol

Kevin

photo by JR...

For many years!

Joel

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Drooling is a fact of life!!!

She is the mom ? I thought Jeff never had babies from that girl ?
I Must be thinking of something different.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I didn't get her directly from Jeff. I was told that was the mom. Jeff if I'm wrong correct me. Just based on looks I think what I was told was correct.

Take care,

Kevin

if she turns out like her mom you will have one nice black beauty.
greg c

She's a hottie! I love the contrasting light bursts around the saddles...
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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 Salmontine (Sonya)
1.1 DH Sunglow (Gabrielle and Bonnie)
0.0.1 Hypo het anery
1.1 07 Hypo pos. triple hets (Rico Suave & Pumpkin)
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
1.2 Children's Pythons
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

Thanks. The "burst" is the thing I wish I could have captured better. I'm going to have to set up some kind of indoor photo area so I can get away without using the flash.

Take care,

Kevin

I have a male for that girl... He is turning black at a very early age and I am hoping he continues!

Joel

send some pics on over. I told you we will be doing breeding loans..

I really like the black, and she's marked really nice. I had a large female that was really black also

Where did she go?

Very nice.
Joel

Sadly, she died after having a litter.

Wow...that is a great photo. It does a great job showing the differences between a "normal" Peruvian and a "black" one. Nice looking Boas!

Take care,

Kevin

WOW! That's nice

Thanks Amer

I think that is very typical of older adult peru boas.
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Richard Ceniceros
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Enlighten me please, such a small gene pool.

I have had both light and dark animals in the Peruvians, my guess is most B.c.c. "darken" age, my golden light ones have stayed that way and the "ugly" ducklings have darkened.

Best wishes.

Joel

Small Gene pool? I have to agree that sooty look is typical for Peruvians, with your "exceptional" Boas going almost Black or staying Yellow.
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South Central Herpetological

Yes, small gene pool compared to the vast numbers of Suriname/Guyana that have been imported and selectively bred for "light" color and crisp patterns etc. Compare to that last point the amount of "selectively" bred Peruvians that have been produced and offered.

Please recognize that what I am saying is the majority of available imported Suriname /Guyana would never meet most of the top producers qualifications and therefore were never"honed" as Top shelf. Now compare that to the amount of available Peruvians that have actually been bred in captivity.

I remember back in the 80's/ 90's purchasing many Peruvian imports and it was a gamble to see what you would end up with, more so than the "shield" B.c.c. because they out numbered the Basin boas by quite a bit and yes the colors were more predictable (my opinion)

I am not trying to turn this into a "shield" vs "basin" topic just would like to hear all opinions and experiences with the B.c.c.

Joel

Peruvian Imports come in every year. The phenotypes run the gamut, so they are in every way comparable to the Northern Shield animals. Peruvians may not have as many indivdual Phenotypes as the Northern Shield animals, but the variation is there. With both new and old blood still available, I'd say it's safe to say that they are all represented in captivity.
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South Central Herpetological

You are correct they come in every year and all are represented in captivity it is the numbers that I am referring to.
Be well
Joel

I wouldn't say typical, but it is certainly not rare. Gus or JR could probably give a better answer. The female I have is five years old. I do completely agree that all BCC darken as they get older.

take care,

Kevin

so common and can be found around every corner.

Why, there must be hundreds of them out there and most people do not like them as they are just dull and black and most everyone has seen many Black Peruvians in their life in the Hobby, because they are truly so common and almost everyone has one and Lord " there has been more than enough produced. "

So please, send all of the Black ones to me as if you breed them, you sure will not be able to get rid of them as they are so common in the Hobby.

However, I would like to take them all regardless.

So, I will be looking very forward to receiving E-mails from dozens of people who are ready to send me their Black Peruvians as they are really common and very boring snakes.

Be Blessed and I look forward to the hundreds of pictures that I am sure to get.

Just be sure they are Black and not just dark brown or the mysterious " Ooo, they are turning Black scenario. "

BLACK, just as black as my girls and contrasting as them and others I have had of this " Common " type of Peruvian.

Look forward to owning many more of this Typical Type Peruvian that is around every corner.

Have a Blessed Day, John J

Relax man. I don't think anyone was attacking "Black" Peruvians. I think there is some misconceptions out there about "Black", Hyperpigmented, and Peruvians that turn a dark brown. Not everyone will like the "Black" ones. Big deal. We all have different likes and dislikes. I think showing more pictures of various Peruvians only helps educate everyone.

This little guy I picked up I think is cool, but it wouldn't suprize or upset me if alot of people just thought he was ugly. I hope to put him with "Black" female a few years down the road. I think they could make some intersting babies....but not babies everyone would be interested in.

Take your girls outside or do like I did and drag them out on the floor so we can see some pattern and full body shots. More photos of Peruvians are a good thing.

Take care,

Kevin

Take care,

Kevin

I think many times we take things to personal and become offended what someone else might think or say about what we like. This is only my opinion but if you really like an animals looks or a certain trait and someone else post's an opinion that they don't care for it ...then so what, that person will never influence me enough to change my mind nor will I change theirs.

As far as what we call "black" I have seen MANY peruvians and I will say that I have only seen three that have been black (hypermelanistic)

I have seen many that have the black and grey washes over their bodies possibly melanistic. I certainly would not call them Black. Then you have the ones that are as I think Eric put it "sooty" and I agree with Richard and Eric not the best looking boas.

Kevin hit the nail on the head and I would like to drive it in, but I agree, John if you could ever possibly get your girls outside for a photo-op and maybe capture the irredescence that make the "black" Peruvians so special, you may show people something they have never seen before.

John I have only ever seen adult hypermelanistic Peruvians and when I say hypermelanistic I am trying to create a legitimate title.
I have asked this before does ANYONE know if these are born that way if not then I think I would be wrong calling them Hypermelanistic, I would tend to think that the babies should be black if both parents are, but I also tend to believe that nobody has ever paired and produced with such animals to my knowledge.

As far as the "Ooo, they are turning black scenario" John that statement is the same kind of statement that got your feathers ruffled about the comments made about the black ones, I am not trying to upset anyone but why is it that we can't just let a person enjoy their boas.

In closing I will say this there are very very few "black" Peruvians out there, and they are absolutly not around every corner. I know that there are ALOT of dark Peruvians some look good but most of them are not really my thing. Drag those girls outside for some pic's John I know I would love to see them!!!

Oh yeah and put them on that log!

Take care
Joel

i am with joel on this one and if i offended you john in any way i apologies, the ones i spoke of 25 years ago were not jet black but they were definitlely not brown they were of the hazy black type, you know i like your black ones, i am just confused on the whole hyper thing and wish that someone could clear it up.
greg c

Just shot you an email Greg.

John, I like many would appreciate your feed back, as you have some of the only "black" Peruvians out there...

I think you could use this post to squash the critics!! Lets find a resolve.

Joel

I think the question is does he even still have any black peruvians?
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Richard Ceniceros
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JJ
You are taking this out of content... No one said black peruvians are a dime a dozen, just that peru boas darken with age just like many adult boas. So a darker breeder adult is typical.

Your black peruvians are very black and your normal peru boa will probably never get that black, unless it has that black "gene"

Time and time again we all ask for outdoor pics of those black peruvians and you never deliver... It sometimes raises a question in my head.
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Richard Ceniceros
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I didnt mean the black peruvians, i meant that some older adult peru boas darken with age. The ones i like stay light.
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Richard Ceniceros
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