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Phew, All but two of these pics are from Monday evening. Only exceptions are Eve and Betty - both in shed so I'm using an older pic for those until they shed. The plan is/was to get new pics of each of my 2009 breeders. Those pics to be used for a variety of things.

Fortunately all were more or less cooperative. I got a system down with "bowling" one, and then taking pics a couple minutes later when I removed the bowl.

Any ways, with no further adieu, my 2009 breeding plan.....

Trio # 1 Hypo's and het hypo's

Dumbo - Hypo 2005 provn breeder

Minnie - Het Hypo 2005 proven breeder

Eve - WC unknown age female, mother of Genevieve

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'Trio # 2, Howard Leong group, proven good looking babies

Fred - High red

Wilma - High orange (same pairing that produced Bam Bam)

Betty - High red (same pairing that produced Melanie)

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'Trio # 3, Hypos and het hypos

Mickey - Hypo 2005

Dottie - Hypo 2004

Daisey - High orange 2004 from Fred x Wilma or Betty - unknown which is mother

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'Trio # 4, new pairings

Tommy - High red holdback from 2005

Bullseye - Normal holdback from 2001

Clover - Normal holdback from 2001

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'Trio # 5, repeat and new pairings

Diablo - High red holdback from 2005

Lucy - High Red holdback from 2005, repeat of 2008 pairing that produced Kelli and Archie

Amber - High Orangs Eclipse holdback from 2005, first breeding attempt

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'Trio # 6, repeat and new pairings

Pheonix - High red holdback from 2005

Savannah - High red, new pairing offspring back to mother, hoping for intense red babies.

Tink - Bullseye holdback form 2005, repeat of 2008 pairing that produced many high red babies.

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'Trio # 7, repeat of 2008 trio

Hook - Bullseye holdback from 2005

Molly - High red holdback from 2005, repeat of 2008 pairing that produced nice orange big crescent babies.

Wendy - Bold crescent holdback from 2005, repeat of 2008 pairing - Wendy did not take

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'Trio # 8, new male color change

Rusty - high red, color change, from EBV 2004

Rose - Bold crescent holdback from 2005

Ann - High red 2004 female

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'Trio # 9, new breeders

Rhett - 2006 Will Bird line

Scarlett - 2006 Will Bird line

Vivian - 2006 Will Bird line

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Pair # 10, first breeding trial blush to blush

Lon - Blush phase holdback from 2006

Lily - Blush phase holdback from 2006

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Pair # 11, Anery and het Anery

Dusty - het Anery, Brian Sharp 2006

Tawny - Anery, Brian Sharp 2006

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Pair # 12, Boarding/breeding arrangement.
This pair I produced in 2005, sold and shipped them spring of 2006. Then summer 2008 the owner came into a situation where he needed to arrange long term care. So I'm boarding them and while they are here I'm breeding them under a combination boarding/breeding contract. Should be a win/win for us both.

Ying, 2005 male SA-PO-07, littermate to my Amber, Wendy and Pheonix

Yang, 2005 female BU-LE-13 (aka BU-M5-13), littermate to my Rose

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Talk about eye-candy. Daves bringing sexy back lol.
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1.0 BRB "Henrold"
0.1 JCP "Snatch"
0.1 BCI "Big Mama"

Thanks, Even I get impressed when I pull out one after another and most of them are stunning! They were looking extra good that night.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Sounds exciting! (And as always, great pictures!) No plans for hypo x anery pairings though?
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Danne
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1.0 '07 BRB "Monroe"
1.0 '08 BRB 66% het Anery "Ace"
1.0 '08 Pastel BP "Sebastian"
1.1 Leos "Bowser & Peach"
0.2 Dumbo (non-feeder) rats "Josie & Holly"

Email = dshoback@eden.rutgers.edu

I was gonna ask the same thing
I'm surprised to see Tawney got so big!!
I must be underfeeding, my '06 females are no where near breeding size...
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9.25 BRB
10.23 BCI
0.1 Kenyan Sand Boa
0.7 Corn Snakes
2.8 Leopard Geckos

I find my 2 1/2 year olds are quite often ready to breed, not always and not all that are bred will take. If they are decent size, I will let them try and see what I get.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks!!

I have the capability to do hypo x anery but if I do that this year then no anery babies at all and the best I can do with my het male would be make 50% het babies.

Next year I will be making DH's. At that point I should have (breedable animals) 1.1 Anery, 1.1 het Anery, 2.2 Hypo and 1.3 het Hypo BRB's. Then I will have enough to produce various things all at the same time.....

DH Ghost
Anery
Het Anery
Hypo
Het Hypo

and all the stunning normals anyone could want.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I see... you consider the master plan!
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9.25 BRB
10.23 BCI
0.1 Kenyan Sand Boa
0.7 Corn Snakes
2.8 Leopard Geckos

You have seen the wisdom of planning further into the future!!

Yeah, honestly it's somewhat a coin flip - Aneries or DH Ghosts the first year. It's the het male that has me leaning towards aneries. Backup plan can always be to put her with a hypo male if the het male is not doing the job but I hate doing that. I want to KNOW who dad was, no iff's ands or butts about it. Yeah there could be sperm retention blah blah but very low odds.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

So you need another female anery to solve your dilemma, is that correct? Hey, wait, isn't someone from this forum getting an adult female anery? I'll be happy to mediate the negotiations for a small fee...

Thanks,
Ed

>>You have seen the wisdom of planning further into the future!!
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>>Yeah, honestly it's somewhat a coin flip - Aneries or DH Ghosts the first year. It's the het male that has me leaning towards aneries. Backup plan can always be to put her with a hypo male if the het male is not doing the job but I hate doing that. I want to KNOW who dad was, no iff's ands or butts about it. Yeah there could be sperm retention blah blah but very low odds.

Somehow I think you're gonna have a hard time with that one, the already have a hypo to breed it with!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Nice as usual dave. Few question for you as usual

Daisey, says you dont know who her mum is? i can understand not knowing who the dad is, but cant fiqure out how you did it the other way around?

also with you 06 females, whats the minimum weight for the ones you using?
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Dave

10.14 brbs

Daisey is NOT my fault. I bought her from Howard Leong in early 2005 as his holdback female. He had a 1.2 group and bred the females on alternate years. Then in fall of 2006 he offerred to sell me his trio - snatch!! He did not keep records of which female was bred in 2005 so....I know the dad was Fred, the mom was either Wilma or Betty but I don't know for sure which!!!!!

Part of why I keep detailed records and save them!!

I use a variation of the 3lb minimum, 3 1/2lb better rule. I go metric and and use 1.5KG as my minimum weight. Or 3.3lbs!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ok, was just trying to work out if was a typo or not

1.5kg seems pretty small, do you see a big correlation to clutch size from the weight of the female? Do you find your older females, throw much bigger clutches or? Or does the weight more affect if they become gravid or not?

cheers
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Dave

10.14 brbs

Larger / older females do tend to throw larger litters.

Two of my largest females were both bred at 2 1/2 years old so I don't see breeding holdsing them back in size. More a factor of feeding than anything else.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

id love to see a growth chart from you sometime. Ie their weights and feed as they grow up. Showing like at what age you move from this prey item to the next and so on. Would be quite an interesting read i would think
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Dave

10.14 brbs

LOL, my records are not that detailed.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Just noticed, fluffy is missing from all the photos!! is he getting a year off, done his job and retired now? or hidden to a cross, thats classified
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Dave

10.14 brbs

Fluffy is taking the year off, no need to make more offspring until I know (or are trying to work out) the genetics.

>>Dave
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>>10.14 brbs
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You are far more patient and collected than I...
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9.25 BRB
10.23 BCI
0.1 Kenyan Sand Boa
0.7 Corn Snakes
2.8 Leopard Geckos

so let me see if i understand this correctly... you have 9 trio and 3 pairs?? giving a grand total of 21 females?? now some of those have dropped clutches of 20 babies but not likely they ALL will but for easy math lets give an average of 10 per.... and assuming they all take thats 21 clutches at an ave of 10 each giving a grand total of...... 210 babies!!!! that is if i did my math right lol yeiks i just wanted to throw that out there lol
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-Stephen-
-Step-
-Steve Lightning-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
1.0 col redtail boa (Switch, formally known as Dixie)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Saphira)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--Brazilian rainbow boas
2 or 3 more? maybe a breeding trio or two pair
-- something for the wifey... my list got to big...

so besides all that i have a question for you.... we all know about you oak cabinet breeder cages.... and those are levels of 2 so 8 snakes or 4 pair... and you have two of them so you can fit 8 pair total... so what about the rest of them they wont all fit in your breeder cabinet, also where do you keep all your 26.46 breeders when they are not breeding???

ohhh yeah and along with above thats just BRB!!
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-Stephen-
-Step-
-Steve Lightning-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
1.0 col redtail boa (Switch, formally known as Dixie)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Saphira)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--Brazilian rainbow boas
2 or 3 more? maybe a breeding trio or two pair
-- something for the wifey... my list got to big...

Each Oak breeding cage has 8 individual sections. I have external PVC piuping that can connect two vertical cages. I use those for breeding. (there are also horizontal ones that I do not open up so moot point) Right now there are 16 females to be bred in the oak cages. When breeding season starts, I remove the caps to the vertical tubes and add a male in with each pair of females. They are already pre-aranged such that the two females of a given trio are in vertically adjacent cages. I allow the males and females full access to the two cages for breeding. When she #1 is ready, he finds her. When she #2 is ready he finds her as well.

So, the oak cages will handle 16 breeding females. I also have some boaphile cages and a couple of other cages that can handle the breeding "overflow". From a breeding standpoint, I'm breeding about as many females this year as I would ever want to in the space I have for them.

The "26.46" breeders is actually at 35.41 (need to update my sig file) Out of those only 12.21 are mature / old enough to breed.

Between all my cages and tub racks I can house up to 78 adults of various sizes (not all large ones). Can house more if some are subadults.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ohh ok so not all are adult, but you do have room for full grown adults in tub racks? and i assume that works out pretty well then yes?
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-Stephen-
-Step-
-Steve Lightning-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
1.0 col redtail boa (Switch, formally known as Dixie)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Saphira)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--Brazilian rainbow boas
2 or 3 more? maybe a breeding trio or two pair
-- something for the wifey... my list got to big...

Yeah, they do just fine in the tub racks, as long as they have heat, moss hide and water bowl big enough to soak in.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Yup!!

Taking that a step further, there are 5 - 2 1/2 year olds. I would not be surprised if a couple do not take so only 19. I would also not br surprised at a couple of slugouts so only 17. My overall average litter size is almost 18 giving a grand total of 306. I'm expecting a LOT of babies this year!!! At the peak, I will be spending a baby a week just in food costs!!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

speaking of a baby a week in food costs, does your rodent production cope during these times? Or do you pre freeze some food to be ready for it. Also, do you at all, delay breeding some females so that you can space out the clutches more? I mean i have seen some of the ball python guys, whose season has lasted 9 months!!
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Dave

10.14 brbs

My rodent production will not cope with those volumes. I do have a local rodent breeder and I supplement from him. Hence the baby a week in food costs.

I have thought about spreading out the season but would not want to miss out on any of my key litters.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

why would you miss clutches? I presume you just cool in each cage, not the whole room, so can not you control the animals, ie cooling this trio, then onto the next etc?
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Dave

10.14 brbs

I do cool in cages but am not 100% convinced they are not on their own schedules and that the scents put off by others wouldn't/couldn't trigger the breeding cycle.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats