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Chameleon no# 1 or no#2

Uneek78 Sep 08, 2003 05:35 PM

I haven't gotten a chameleon yet, but I have been researching as of late. I'm trying to figure out which one to get. I think I narrowed it down to Panthers and Veiled. Which is easier to care for? Which is more user friendly (if either)? Which gets more beautiful colors? Just a few questions. Feel free to give more info if you'd like.

Thanks reptalys-I didn't know chameleons can jump. What else can they do? I thought they just walked slow. I haven't had the time to observe a live one for an extended amount of time.

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charm_paradise Sep 08, 2003 06:09 PM

Hi-

Well the two chameleons you have narrowed down to are both great first time chameleons. I would recommend a male pardalis (Panther). There is no "easy" chameleon to care for. The most friendly locale would be Nosy Be, but that said all my males are very friendly epically my WC male Ambilobe. Make sure you get a CB or CBB chameleon and stay away from WC. Every chameleon will have its own personality and chameleons in general don't like being held, but rather except being held once in a while. I seem to have an exception to the handling rule with my Ambilobe. There are many different locales (color morphs) to chose from with the pardalis so you should be able to find something you like!LOL Hands down the pardalis are much more colorful then a Veiled. I have tons of info on my site that will help you out, just click on one of the pics below.

Yes chameleons can and will jump, I have even had my pygmy chameleons jump out of my hand. Also they can run fast when they want to. I had a pardalis jump off his tree on to the grass and high tail it across the grass in to an avocado tree. On my site there are links to AdCham, CHAMELEONS E-zine (great site for info), and others. Hope this helps!
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John @ Chameleon Paradise
1.1 Ambilobe Panthers
1.1 Nosy Be Panthers
1.1 Sambava Panthers
1.2 Rhampholeon uluguruensis

eric adrignola Sep 08, 2003 07:19 PM

Well, I have to disagree on the colorfulness of pardalis vs. veilds...

I have seen some pretty ugly pardalis. Many veilds are ugly too. If you buy from a breeder who isn't hesitant about showing the breeders, you can have a degree of certanty about the color of the offspring. You can argue weather the veild or panther is NICER than each other, but I do not think you can say in general a panther is more colorful than a veild.

My veild is totally color-where he's not grenn he's bright orange, blue or yellow, not a dull spot on him.
The ones I've bred in the past were even nicer.

Panthers vary more, and display a larger variety of colors as a species. Veilds usually display the same colors across the species, but more colors on each animal.

Both species will vary from individual to individual. You can find nosey be's that are plain green, some are a bright blue that doesn't seem should exist in nature.
I've seen some ambanjas that were a ruddy maroon and a hazy green, and veilds that are grey and brown.
Some look like crap normally, but show awesome colors when displaying. Most veilds will show color when relaxed, but show even more when excited, some panthers willonly show theuir bright colors when displaying.

all veilds display the same base colors: green, maroon, blue, yellow and orange. Some show more of one, others a range of them all.
Panthers vary somuch it's not worht repeating, just look at the pictures.

Veilds are a buit eaiser in that they don't need the humidity, and can be seemingly indestructable, going for long periods without food, water or heat if needed. Their ability to withstand poor treatment is a reason so many get MBD--anything else would have dropped dead before symptoms got so bad.

Most veilds have a nice, pleasent colro, some, ones with extremly defined patterns, can be an incredible sight, as nice as any other lizard.

Some panthers have nice colors, but many are simply so shockingly artificially colored, they seem fake. Madagascar has a habit of producing things like that--ever see some of those day geckos??

A nice veild can be just as nice as the nicest panther. However, with so many veilds being bred for profit(and not for the proliferation off the best genes--as we usually see in pardalis), there are a lot more ugly ones.

You have a better shot with panthers, unless you find a breeder who will show you his breeders.

Panthers are usually $150-$350, depending on locale and age. Veilds can go for $25-$75 for a 2 month old, depending on the breeder's reputation/quality of adults, etc. Set ups are similar, although you'll mist more withthe panther.

Here's my veild, for example. The pic, taken with a cheap digital camera does not show his color, and the oprange is bright orange, the blue very bright, etc...
He's a nice one(SO I think..hehe)
Bottom line, look at this pic, then look at some of the monsters on champaradise's site, decide which one you like better, and save up...
have fun.

Uneek78 Sep 09, 2003 06:45 AM

Thanks for you alls opinion so far. I have been enlightened. I'm still surprised that they can run & jump. I convinced my girlfriend that they couldn't. That's why she agreed to let me get one. Oh well! Hopefully, I can hide that from her. Once again, thanxx for all these great facts.

iso Sep 09, 2003 12:54 PM

Get a jackson. Although it only has different shades of green (for the standard) the horns more than make up for the "lack" of color. They truely look reptilian.

Mine at one time will show about 6 to 8 shades of green on his skin. Wonderful patterns too.

They DONT bite. Dont get pissy. The closest mine comes is when I reach in for him..he will open his mouth at me to make me think he is a threat. I just take a silk worm and offer it. he eats it happily and then lets me move him to a ficus outside his cage.

Then again - they are really shy and dont tolerate handling much. I prefer to think of all chams that way. the less you hassle them the better.

I would rather have a jackson any day!

dmlove Sep 09, 2003 02:58 PM

i like veileds, they seem like an easier type, and i like their all around colors...they are great. Sometimes they can get pissy, but so do panthers. Heres a pic of my male veiled, his colors are awesome!!!

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~David - KDRKreatures
My Main Herps-
1.2 Bearded dragons (Ralph, Artemis, Cheech)
1.0 Veiled Chameleon (Chiquito)
1.0 Black Racer Snake (Chong)
2.2 Eastern Box Turtles (Athena, Mercury, Gizmo, Galapago)
0.0.2 Leopard Geckos (Nee, Unnamed)
1.0 Ball Python (Carson)

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anson Sep 09, 2003 08:06 PM

I'm just kidding!.........Well, sort of kidding. I have both kinds and I love them all but I do think my Veilds are a LOT easier to take care of. Especially because it is hard to provide so much ventilation and humidity at the same time. Also the panthers are much more expensive so you might want to get a Veiled now and when you have more experience a panther. LOL
When your girlfriend or wife objects to you filling her house with herp you will just develop herpers ear.
That is when they say...... "You can NOT bring one more herp into this house" and you hear...... "You have GOT to get a mate for that chameleon so we can raise 40 babies"
Hope I helped.

anson Sep 09, 2003 09:01 PM

If you ever get two they need separate cages and a visual barrier between the cages to keep your animals stress free and healthy. Chameleons are solitary animals that need their own cage.

safo Sep 10, 2003 01:05 AM

i have heard mixed stories about which is easier. i have a tamatave panther female which i will be getting a mate for soon. My Friend in texas has 32 turquoise male/yellow female veiled eggs incubating. i will be recieving one of the males, when the time comes. You also might just get stra8 hooked on chams and get 5 or 6, but u do need room for them, and they do take soem time to care for. Just be well informed BEFORE you invest in it be sure u want to do it.Coming here is a good start, as there seems to be alot a knowledgeable people on the forum. anyway another long post, sorry, dave

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