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Genetics question for future breeding...

knottydread Dec 11, 2008 10:00 AM

Quick genetics question from a newbie...

I have a 100% het albino male that I want to pair up with something in the next few years, I saw an ad somewhere for an albino double het green/granite, what would my potential offspring be?

I'm sure I would get some albino's, some het albinos.... any chance for the green or granite visuals ?
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1.0 Het Albino Burm
0.1 Normal Ball Python
1.0 Albino Ball Python
1.1 Pastel Ball Pythons
0.1 Spider Ball Python
0.2 Het Albino Ball Pythons
0.1 Lavender Albino Retic

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Replies (7)

HappyHillbilly Dec 11, 2008 01:15 PM

Hey there!
Theoretically, that will produce 8 variations of snakes.

1/2 the clutch would be albino and the other half would be het albino.

Then throw in the "het green & het granite" aspect: The albino group breaks down into 4 different variants and the "het albino" group breaks down into 4 different variants, too.

12.5% Het. albino,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. granite,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. green,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. green, Het. granite,
12.5% Homozygous albino,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. granite,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. green,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. green, Het. granite,
The above listed results were compiled by using The Advanced Genetics Wizard

"any chance for the green or granite visuals ?"
Not as in "homozygous," true (pure), greens or granites or green/granite. Some of the hatchlings may display some green and/or granite traits, though, looking different than a "normal."

The only exception to this would be if your albino male was not a pure albino "normal". Not to get off on a tangent but with some of today's breeders and some breeders/keepers' lack of full disclosure I'm afraid this is becoming more of a concern.

Catch ya later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
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knottydread Dec 11, 2008 02:10 PM

So breeding a 100% het albino to an Albino Green burm there would not be any visual albino green burms right?

Is Albino Green recessive, what about Labrynth? Would breeding him to an albino labrynth produce any albino labyrnths?

Thanks for the help HH!
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1.0 Het Albino Burm
0.1 Normal Ball Python
1.0 Albino Ball Python
1.1 Pastel Ball Pythons
0.1 Spider Ball Python
0.2 Het Albino Ball Pythons
0.1 Lavender Albino Retic

Seeking bigger cages for the family

HappyHillbilly Dec 11, 2008 02:28 PM

"So breeding a 100% het albino to an Albino Green burm there would not be any visual albino green burms right?"

Right. No visual (homozygous) albino greens.

"Is Albino Green recessive, what about Labrynth?"

Green & labyrinth are both recessive genes, as well as albino & granite. So, breeding it to an albino labyrinth will only produce het labyrinths, not homozygous (visual) labyrinths.

You're quite welcome for the help!

Catch ya later!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American


www.natures-signature.com

knottydread Dec 11, 2008 02:41 PM

Looks like my options are fairly limited...

If I took the double het route and the offspring:

12.5% Het. albino,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. granite,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. green,
12.5% Het. albino, Het. green, Het. granite,
12.5% Homozygous albino,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. granite,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. green,
12.5% Homozygous albino, Het. green, Het. granite,

I would label the offspring as Albino POSSIBLE het granite/green, right? Since there would be one to tell, it would be a tough decision who to hold back...
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1.0 Het Albino Burm
0.1 Normal Ball Python
1.0 Albino Ball Python
1.1 Pastel Ball Pythons
0.1 Spider Ball Python
0.2 Het Albino Ball Pythons
0.1 Lavender Albino Retic

Seeking bigger cages for the family

HappyHillbilly Dec 12, 2008 01:33 AM

"I would label the offspring as Albino POSSIBLE het granite/green, right?"

Some people use the term possible het and some use the specific percentage of the het possibility, which in this case would be 50% het green/granite. It's 50% because only one of the two parents was het for the genes.

Since one parent was homozygous albino and the other parent was het albino, all non-albino hatchlings will be 100% het albino.

"Since there would be one to tell, it would be a tough decision who to hold back..."

Hets will sometimes, but not always, display traits similar to the morph they're het for. It's usually not too hard to pick a few out of a clutch that show strong signs of carrying the desired genes. Sometimes you have to kinda train your eye to pick up on subtle differences that resemble the desired trait/morph.

Here's a 66% het albino/labyrinth I kept from my 2007 clutch. There's just something special about her, she stoled my heart & I couldn't bear the thought of getting rid of her. Notice the aberrant markings and light color. I'd bet money that she is indeed het albino/labyrinth and I aim to prove her out.

Look through the classifieds at all the het photos and most of the time you'll see some hint of the supposed morph.

Hets are a cheaper way to get into the morph of your choice. They're cheaper than the homozygous version but they also take a little longer (2 yrs or more) to get to where you want to be.

If you want to get into a particular morph and you've got the money to buy a homozygous pair, go for it. Or, you can do like I did, spend a lot less on two double hets, produce less the first few years and then put the pedal to the metal. I think every breeder has used hets in one fashion or another to get to where they wanted to be.

Here's you some good reading on genetics: Genetics 101

Take care!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American


www.natures-signature.com

HappyHillbilly Dec 12, 2008 01:38 AM

Sorry about that, I forgot to insert the url to my het albino/lab.

"Here's a 66% het albino/labyrinth I kept from my 2007 clutch. There's just something special about her, she stoled my heart & I couldn't bear the thought of getting rid of her. Notice the aberrant markings and light color. I'd bet money that she is indeed het albino/labyrinth and I aim to prove her out."
Image
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American


www.natures-signature.com

rottenweiler9 Dec 14, 2008 08:04 AM

Looks good, I don't blame you, it just looks clean.
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