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Coral albino, after shed.

ilovemylizard Dec 18, 2008 06:10 PM

This girl is a 2006, 25% Suriname, produced by Steve at Boamorph.

She's got a lot more coraling than the photo shows...albinos are really hard to photograph...this pic was the end result of about four dozen pictures...

I've got great things planned for this young lady...I am really looking forward to pairing her with this 50% Suriname male, 66% het for albino, in a few years...


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Heather Martin
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LarM Dec 18, 2008 07:06 PM

That's a beautiful Coral Albino Heather !
Both those Boas make me Jealous.
. . . . Lar M
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boaphile Dec 18, 2008 08:01 PM

I have been getting ready to say this for a while and since I usually say what I think, (except when I think something mean), here it is:

What is this Boa!?

I think it's very obvious exactly what this animal is. Look at this thing!

This is a 50/50 Surinam/Colombian exhibiting the Surinam version of "Motley" like mutation. There I said it! Are you people happy now!? I am.

I think the Roswells are another form of Motley Boa. The Central American Motleys are different from the Colombian Motleys and the Surinam Motleys are different from both. OK, so it doesn't make a more or less utterly patternless "Super". So it can't be a Motley. Great! That’s perfectly fine with me. It makes something that in my view is far better than a Super Motley. The Roswell is a crazy unBOAlievable animal and I can't wait too see my first one covered in goo! That’s a Roswell like Heather has shown us in the picture above and or a Super! I can’t wait!

I guess it isn't as commonly known as I thought it would be by now, but it's as obvious to me and everyone that has seen all the pictures that Heather has posted. The litter she has produced show babies that are clearly sortable into three camps. Roswells, half Roswells or laddertails, and regular baby Boas. We will probably be able to say with even greater definity after another breeding season, but it's ridiculously obvious.

LOOK AT THIS THING!!! IT’S A PERFECT BOA!!!

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Edited on December 19, 2008 at 15:39:30 by PHGinger.

jscrick Dec 18, 2008 08:48 PM

I was going to say the same thing. Honest. I was thinking they looked so very Motleyish. But hey, what do I know. Never even owned one.
jsc
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jscrick Dec 18, 2008 08:51 PM

The Motley trait as expressed in Bcc...as compared to the previously proven Bci Motley trait.
jsc
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LarM Dec 18, 2008 09:34 PM

I wonder ? So if this trait comes from the Surinam Bcc genetics.Then there should be pure Surinam Boas that could display
this "Surinam Motley" Roswell trait as well( original Mother or father and their other offspring).
Or did the Bci blood some how trigger something in the Suri?
. . . . . Lar M
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patoquack Dec 18, 2008 09:37 PM

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Morgans Boas Dec 19, 2008 01:02 AM

I believe when you breed the Col Motley to a CA Motley, you still make patternless Supers - right ? So it seems like the Roswell (laddertail version) should be bred to a Motley, and see what happens, huh? It would be a cool breeding none the less.

I see alot of room for error with the connected pattern het Roswells - meaning that as more breedings come to play, their could be hets with less of the pattern markers (not connected or broken laddertails) , as well as normals that are not hets , but also having natural occuring saddle connections. Look at the majority of 07/08 Squaretail babies produced - nothing like the first ones that had major connections and perfect uniformities.
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prehistoricpets Dec 19, 2008 05:28 PM

that would hold true under certain circumstances but not all.

If the Motley morphed gene had originated with B.c.c. and B.c.i. did indeed evolve from B.c.c. as we suspect, and the affected gene had been passed through B.c.c. to B.c.i. sure there is a likelihood of that being true. As we know though there can be different affected locations of genes with similar results. This could be one (and I would venture to guess is).

If the Motley gene from B.c.i. didn't derive from B.c.c. origins and is indeed unrelated to the "Roswell Hets", then of course they would not be compatible. Keep in mind genes mutate for a variety of reasons, and a variety of different types of mutations can cause very similar results.

Look at the polymorphism of people's hair, or eye color....

Either way, another neat mutation- and a huge congrats to Heather again!

jscrick Dec 19, 2008 06:48 PM

I was thinking a completely independent mutation -- same or very similar. Of course, it could have migrated from Bci to Bcc with those.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
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ilovemylizard Dec 20, 2008 01:38 AM

David, I have been tossing this same idea around for a while...I would be very interested to see what a Motley X (Roswell sibling)laddertail or Roswell would produce...

If the two mutations turned out to be compatible, would the supers be black/patternless, striped, or some intermediate form? perhaps something different entirely? Fun stuff to contemplate, for sure...

I think that if the Roswell morph does prove to be a type of BCC Motley, it's definitely a much stronger form of the Motley mutation...as the Roswells don't display any of the CNS and other issues seen in Super Motleys...

Other than the bizarre striped pattern (and somewhat odd looking head), their behavior, tounge movement, and physical form are completely normal...
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Heather Martin
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ilovemylizard Dec 20, 2008 02:20 AM

...of this has occurred to me as well...

I've had a number of people tell me, that my (Roswell sibling) laddertails can't be a type of "BCC" Motley, because the side striping is incomplete...but I know I've seen lots of photos of CA Motleys, that lacked full sidestriping, and laddertails as well...

I've also noticed quite a few Colombian Motleys, that are not nearly as nice as other sibling Motleys in the same litter...

Looking at the numbers of laddertails in my 2007 and 2008 litter, around half are clearly laddertails, with no question...but there are also quite a few with connected patterns, and tails that tried to be laddertails, but didn't quite make the look...( these 'almost' laddertails resemble the larger adult female, mother of this year's litter...she has the connected pattern and side striping, but the ladders on her tail aren't nearly as nice as her brother and sister...but she obviously has the Roswell gene...so I suspect the babies without the perfect laddertails, may have the gene as well...)

This male is a holdback as well, and is a great example of the 'almost' laddertail babies that showed up in both litters...

This female holdback, is representative of what I would call the 'normals' of both litters.

A few others with the normal look:

They have a radically different appearance, compared to a few of the screamer connected pattern/side striping/laddertails from both litters:

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Heather Martin
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LarM Dec 20, 2008 03:30 PM

This is another point I wanted to discuss and question. Exactly as you point out Heather.
Some of those Roswell "Normal" type Siblings,seem as though they are trying to have connected patterns.
It would be nice to know if they somehow possess the Roswell Gene also ?
This is just fun looking at watching development of and talking
about these beautiful Roswell Boas !
. . . . Lar M
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Morgans Boas Dec 19, 2008 01:04 AM

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Morgans Boas Dec 19, 2008 01:06 AM

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