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Roswell thoughts and clarifications:

I made a follow up post to a thread where Heather Martin was showing a couple of her babies. I guess that sort of hijacked the thread, though the topic certainly didn't change completely. So I figured I'd start a new one here.

First; I started out the thread suggesting that the Roswells are actually another form of Motley. Apparently a lot of people missed the later statement where I declared that I didn't think that the Roswell was a Motley at all. That seemed to have gotten lost with the initial suggestion that they might be the same mutation. What I actually wrote within that post was, "I think the Roswells are another form of Motley Boa." But then, as if I was thinking it through while I wrote, I said, "The Central American Motleys are different from the Colombian Motleys and the Surinam Motleys are different from both." But then I continued, "OK, so it doesn't make a more or less utterly patternless "Super"." Followed by what I really think; "So it can't be a Motley. Great! That’s perfectly fine with me. It makes something that in my view is far better than a Super Motley." And this precisely because the Super Roswell is not a patternless animal like the Super Motley is. Hopefully that makes sense.

At least I don't think the Roswell is a super Motley and should not be categorized as such. The biggest difference in the Super Roswell and the Super Motley is the obvious pattern differences. The several other differences can also be seen in the offspring that Heather has been blessed with. They have been huge robust critters without a seemingly different narrower head or the other characteristics we know about super Motleys. So Roswells are a mutation unto themselves. At least that is my take on it. Which brings me to a couple other thoughts.

Motleys do not ALWAYS make a "perfect Motley". In fact many Motleys do not have a connecting pattern going all the way. In fact, some don't really connect very well at all. It's a matter of degrees. The Roswells will probably do the exact same thing. Some single dose critters will have patterns that leave some subjectivity to the observer as to if it is a Roswell carrier or not. In fact the first Super Roswells had full striping with just one little ring up by the head correct Heather? The second litter had some Super Roswells that had this fully striped pattern while some had a number of saddles going down the body, but that distinct Roswell look was still there.

One other thing worth a mention is this. Since we now suspect that there is a possibility that for some bazaar reason the Motley and Hypo genes may be located in the same position limiting or at least complicating the production of Motley X Hypo multiple mutant critters, this makes the Roswell project just that much more interesting and promising. Hypo Roswells are going to be very cool. How about a Sunglow Roswell!!! I am getting nervous thinking about that one!

Here is one other little teeny tiny question: Have we seen this before? The Boa below is the Striated Boa which was owned by Mike Wilbanks and Bob Clark. They purchased this Colombian Boa as in import in 2002. Unfortunately this little guy died before he was able to reveal any of his genetic secrets. Those secrets remained secret and died with him. I can't tell you the time I have spent looking at this animal wondering what a single dose Striated Boa might look like. This was my going on the assumption that he was actually a "super" form. What could his offspring look like? We of course will never know.

Note how though he was completely striped down to the tail, the side blotches were not so. Some smearing for sure, but not completely connecting like a Motley, or at least a "perfect" Motley would be.

Would have, could have, should have. It's interesting and great fun to sort of try to think some of these things through isn't it?

Anyhow, the future of the Roswell is very bright and the possibilities are wonderful. Now the questions are what to breed with what to get someplace really cool and make the most interesting critters possible!

I've asked this before, will somebody pinch me!?!?
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All the siblings that came with the striated, as I saw it first hand and unpacked it personally, are/were fully striped animals like thosuands seen before. Nothing unusual except that instead of a "jungle" type stripe, they had full thick stripes. I know a group of 5 went to Incredible Pets and were sold out of the shop.

That's interesting info. It's too bad I didn't unpack them or know about that, because even if the Striated boa would have been too rich for my blood, a mess of his sibling would not have been, or all the rest of the babies for that matter.

Again, would have, could have, should have.

Thanks for the info!
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So the Striated Boa came in with what appeared to be siblings in '02. Some striped & non striped striated siblings. Then they were sold off. Wouldn't they still have been higher end Boas more likely to go to Boa collectors with breeding aspirations I would think ? So we should be seeing the results of the striated siblings if they were genetic I would think ?
. . . . Lar M
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No they were siblings. A mess of them. Most were striped fully, half were striped but not on tail, or from half way point down, or viceversa, but all were easy 60% or more striped. I know I have pics somewhere.....might be on old computer that crashed. Ill check it out.
Striated was the biggest and healthiest of the bunch.

Most were sold as striped abberant boas. I had a couple, but sold them at a show for money I couldnt pass up. The 60-80% stripers were sold at Incredible Pets and other reptile specialty stores to whomever walked in a=nd bought them I guess

I wonder How many people actually know what they have.
Only a few people are aware it sounds like.
Very interestinf stuff.
. . . . Lar M
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Thanks for the reply. So they were definite siblings. Wouldn't that more than likely lead to some Striated type genetics floating around out there ?
If indeed it was genetic ?
People purchased these Boas some must of survived grown in to healthy adults .
Plus be in collections of people who breed Boas.
. . . . Lar M
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They were sold graded, from 250-1500.00 for siblings. Someone has a group out there....

Jeff, How does the Aztec Boa fit into all this with the Bci Motleys? Aztec didn't impress [for the price] until I saw the Supers. Now I'm sold. The originator is welcome to reply on the Aztec origin/genetics.
jsc
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It seems to me that Motley Boas pattern and Arabesque patterns are semi similar or somewhat similar. Lateral striping occurs but not the same over all look or genetics seem to be involved.No Super Arabesque Boas not"CoDom" as we call it. The Motley has the obvious super form.
The Roswell compared to the Motley is similar but again slightly different.Similarities in the Heterozygous form of Roswell and Heterozygous form of Motley. As well as some similarities in the Homozygous form of the Roswell and Homozygous form of the Motley.The 1 area in my opinion that seems very similar with the Roswell Homozygous form and the Motley Homozygous form is the head. In my opinion the heads do look very similar on both Homozygous forms. So to me this points further in that direction. That yes possibly Roswell and Motley are similar anomalies. Yet they might not be compatible at all. If you look at the Roswell head marking,it has a similar look to an Arabesque head marking.
The fact remains the Roswell itself and then mixed with other traits. Like a high color Sunglow Roswell or a VPI Caramel Hypo Roswell will be mind blowing animals.
. . . . Lar M
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jsc
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I really like that striated boa, whoever has them where are they?
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That's a beautiful boa, indeed. Wonder what it died from? Sure does look well fed (last pic).
jsc
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John Crickmer

Hey Jeff! What do you think of this animal? He is the product of a laddertail Suri het. albino that is a littermate to Heathers adults. His father is a Coral Super Sunglow from our "Maximus" coral line.

I have watched this male grow and wondered all along if this is not a laddertail Salmon (Roswell het.) with the Salmon gene interupting the laddertail pattern. In that litter, there were a number of animals like this and some were sold as DH Sunglows. Some have much more of a clear distinct pattern than this male.

Thoughts?

Thanks
John

Grandson of a sibling of Heather's adult 50/50 Surinam hets?

Hhmm... very interesting. What other little tid bits do you have for us John? I like that little fella, but if I was going to lay out the big bucks, I would hope to see more in the way of those connectors. But then we don't really know what a Hypo single dose Roswell would look like do we?

Do we???! John!!!

My little chemical synapses between my curiosity brain cells are firing on all cylinders right now John!

Oh John! What other little surprises do you have over there!?!? Somehow I think we may not see much more for a while... I do look forward to seeing more, even if it is via, top secret email. And you know I can keep a secret... I'm no good at keeping my own secrets but really good at keeping other people's.

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