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lol ok im not blind or stupid and i consider myself a smart person.and im pretty ok in the common sense dept.....
but well when it comes to fires and enchis i dont see why they are considered morphs...
i mean, they are nice looking snakes, but what am i missing? and why would you call em fires? wheres the red? lol
yes, im a dork, and usually i wont open myself up for people to think im stuuuuupiiiiddddd...but this time, well im just tired of feeling confused...

perhaps someone can outline the specifics for me.
thanks yall....
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~Snake Charmer~
0.1 russian tortoise (natasha)
3.1 dogs (church, bandit, willy and tonka)
0.2 cats (squeaky, cami)
2.1 'normal' ball pythons (zenith, butters, zahara)and i want more snakes. guess you can say im developing a "reptile addiction"- lol

I'm glad you asked this because I don't know either.

From what I think I know Enchi is a pastel line of some sort. Fire is....well I don't have a clue lol.
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Pastel 0.1
Spider 0.1
Normals 2.1
Het Pied 0.1
Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 0.1

they are morphs because their characteristics breed true. that is that the color and pattern are passed from the parents to the offspring. and both have a homozygous "super" form. as for the names, i understand that the original enchi was discovered in africa near the city of enchi? and not all fire is red, some flames are yellow, some blue, some green. it depends on what is on fire.
hope this helps, a little bit anyway.
joe

Here is what NERD has to say about it

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/ball-pythons/enchi-ball-python.html

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/ball-pythons/fire-ball-python.html

This has helped me, hope it helps you out as well.
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Pastel 0.1
Spider 0.1
Normals 2.1
Het Pied 0.1
Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 0.1

Fires don't look too outstanding, but they do amazing things to any morph they are crossed with.
Enchi's are one of my faves, and i think the Pastel name does them a disservice
Here are 3 of mine
Certainly not 'Normal' looking

Enchi ball 2

Enchi ball 3
Hope you like em -)

Enchi 2 is Awesome!!!!!

Thanks Dave, she's currently in shed, but will be paired up with a proven Fire male very soon

all three are nice Enchi./...not really normal enchi like we usually see,,,and not the same crappy pics....pics and cameras make a big difference......

number 0ne enchi looks like a jungle ball too?...wierd...

I finally got one....cute...pretty good one...cheap ...why not...

..anyways......good luck.....
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LOL......

Here's a few pics that I hope will help illustrate the difference between Fires and normals.

The first two pictures are of our Fire male along with a captive hatched female we are working with. The last two pictures are of the same captive hatched female and a couple of normals, one darker than the other. I'm sorry for not posting a pic with the Fire and normals together. this is the best I can do for now.

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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Fires are very different from normals, have to see them in real life!

Combo's are amazing!

Many of the more subtle morphs elude me too and I have been looking into ball pythons for five years or so. Comparison pictures work the best for me, a normal with a fire...it really stands out that way.

From what I recall of fire balls, they have alot of blushing in the dark pattern and 'flames' (blushing moving up from the belly into the dark areas). They are also a visible Het for another white morph (I think black eyed leucistic...) which stands them apart from nice looking normals.

Enchi pastels is just a different line of pastels that look different in some way from other pastel lines (ie lemon pastel, normal pastels etc.) and I think...and I could be wrong here..they are not compatible morphs (Ie breeding an Enchi pastel with a normal pastel won't produce superpastels).

Other subtle morphs are the granites (saddles (or alien heads) have speckles instead of distinct 'eyes'), Cinnamon (far as I can tell these have a richer red/brown hue to the darker areas and get darker as they mature), mocha, orange ghost, yellow bellies, reduced patterned or banded and a few others I can't think of. Most of these though, do stand out when done with a typical normal ball side by side in a comparison shot.
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PHLdyPayne

Enchis are much more than another line of pastel. While they do produce a lighter color, like pastels, they are also a pattern mutation. The enchis above do a great job showing both aspects of the trait. Look at the pattern on their heads! Some enchis do look better than others, and the super enchi is a beautiful morph.

Enchis are much more than another line of pastel. While they do produce a lighter color, like pastels, they are also a pattern mutation. The enchis above do a great job showing both aspects of the trait. Look at the pattern on their heads! Some enchis do look better than others, and the super enchi is a beautiful morph.

Have to agree with you there
the Pastel name really does them a disservice
check out Enchi Fires, Enchi Butters, Enchi x Pastels
Much much more than a Pastel imo

The Enchi is a co-dominant mutation that was first proven genetic by Lars Brandell of Sweden in 2002. They were named after the region in Africa where they were first discovered. The Enchi is sometimes referred to as an Enchi Pastel, which is both incorrect and misleading. The Enchi has nothing to do with any of the established lines of pastels. It is a unique morph that is both a color and pattern mutation. The Enchis have golden yellow sides, the dark pigmentation is chocolate and their faded saddles exhibit a copper/bronze color. The Enchi also has a greatly reduced pattern. The "Super" Enchi is an extreme version of the Enchi, with a further reduction in pattern and a lighter more intense color. Enchis are also a valuable ingredient when making some designer morphs as they reduce pattern and alter color. The Enchi Spider and Enchi Pinstripe are good examples of what this morph can do.
Happy Holidays, Mark BallPython777.com

lol thanks yall..... perhaps just seeing them in person would help alot. i mean, most of you have some pretty good cameras, and take awesome shots, but nothing compares to real life...
perhaps one of these shows ill get to see one...
but in the mean time ill just look at the pics yall post...

good luck to all breeders in this new season...

tc everyone...
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~Snake Charmer~
0.1 russian tortoise (natasha)
3.1 dogs (church, bandit, willy and tonka)
0.2 cats (squeaky, cami)
2.1 'normal' ball pythons (zenith, butters, zahara)and i want more snakes. guess you can say im developing a "reptile addiction"- lol