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I have had conversations in the past with people that describe widows Peaks on " supposed Peruvians " as a sure indication of them being crossed with something else and of course my response to most of them in several instances has been that; " That is a rediculous assumption, " but to what extreme??

Take the Peruvian Boa pictured, it is no doubt as pure a Peruvian as there is, but I find it hard to believe, that some people will flat turn down a Peruvian if it has these Widow Peaks.

First of all; " These are not widows peaks on a Peruvian like this. "

Small bumps or " Peaks as some call them, " on Peruvian saddles, is pretty typical and more common, than not.

Now this is not a debate on wether are not people are entitled to their personnal likes are not; " we are all entitled to our likes. "

However, at what point do we draw the line in order not to allow this to get rediculous?

I have to admitt, I have seen several " Peruvians " as of late, that do have some pretty noticeable peaks and even a few, that would rival an above average Peaked Suriname or Guyana.

So what makes me laugh is a few things.

One, Peaks seem to be the Big New Age Deal when it comes to Surinames and Guyanas, so how come so many are repulsed by them, when they are seen on " Peruvians? "

I have plenty of pictures taken in the wilds of Peru and several show wild Specimens from Peru, with pretty bold peaks, BUT BUT it does not seem to be a very common trait and one that I do not prefer on a Peruvian, but I would never look at a Peaked Peruvian as if it was garbage or worthless, if it indeed did have Peaks and that is the difference for me.

Will we EVER, get back to appreciating these animals for their individual beauty and singular characteristics?

Don't know?

Be Blessed, John J

i personally like Peaks on Peruvians.

I really don't think that peaks indicate out crossing.

That's almost like saying that the Peakless surinams aren't pure bred.
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QUOTE: / That's almost like saying that the Peakless surinams aren't pure bred! /

Exactly and good point Ash!

John J

i agree with you john, nice peruvian by the way.
greg c

John
I dont mind some peaks on a peruvian, i didnt know people felt that way about peaks on a peruvian.
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Richard Ceniceros
Tap or take a nap

Every time I have the urge to say those words (in the subject line), I think of Denis Leary... Ahhhh... He cracks me up! Anyway...

It's the American way, John.

I know you're into cars. So, take the new classic to be debuted in the coming year. The NEW Camaro. You can get it with a 6 cylinder, but how many actually would when there is an 8 available? And how many that get the 8 cylinder are going to modify it to make it a little bit faster and louder? Then who's going to go ALL OUT and completely redo everything including paint, wheels, interior, as well as TOTALLY revamping all of the drivetrain components, exhaust, electrical, stereo? Probably quite a few. Why? Because they want it bigger, better, stronger, and faster!

I think boas have gone the same route. If peaks on the Northern Shield animals (yeah, I said it that way for you! ) are good, BIGGER peaks must be better. If reduced speckling is good, TOTALLY clean must be better! If a hint of pink or purple is good, BLEEDING with color must be better! Etc...

Same with Peruvians. If smaller, bar-like saddles are good, SUPER PINCHED saddles must be better. If consistency in the pattern is good, 100% completely evenly spaced saddles must be better. If 7 red "tail" saddles is normal and good, 10 must be better! If a nice buckskin or tan color is good, neon yellow must be better! If dark is appealing, BLACK must be better!

To me, I like a unique look. You can find tons of Guyana BCC (I'll use them since they're my fav's) with moderate speckling, average color, 6-7 tail bands, inconsistent patterns, etc... So, I like something different to look at which is why I like what I like in mine (no need to write it, you've seen the animals I have). I'm sure some day I'll even have some animals that most folks don't find to be so "pretty" and perfect because they appeal to me. And actually, there are MANY animals I've seen that I've wanted that don't look like the rest in my collection at all, but space has been the limiting factor. In truth, for me it's all about how their characteristics fit with each other and combine to give the snake it's overall appearance.

Well... I suppose my point has been made!

Don't rack your brain over what makes people tick. At least not without registering for college and getting a degree for it!

jb
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Jonathan Brady
*You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.*

That is the bottom line. You know I don't like peaks on my Peruvians - my choice. That doesn't mean I cannot see a nice looking Peruvian with good contrast and color that has peaks are see its beauty - it just means with a limited amount of time and space I have I won't bring it into my collection. Don't take that personally. I'm not into morphs - but I'm not going let a morph guy get me upset because he doesn't like BCC. Back in the 80's my hair was longer and my shorts were shorter...things change with time. People’s preferences do as well. I remember a conversation you and I had in the late 90s and you told me you had no interest in a Peruvian if the saddles were not as thin as a credit card is thick......

Take care,

Kevin

I know I'm probably in the minority. In my book the nicest
peruvians have those slender saddles with really small
peaks on them.
I just love that thin saddle small peak Look.
I would never expect to see large peaks on a Peruvian Boa.
Although I haven't seen and been exposed to Peruvians from days past.
Nor do I have the experience with them as so many of you guys do.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I like them with the dorsolateral linear connecting lines between saddles and saddles as solid and dark as possible. I believe saddles must be fairly narrow to be a solid, extremely dark color.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Yup, in the end " we all have our hangups. "

Example; " For some, taking a 1978 Smoky and the Bandit Trans Am with seven thousand original miles on it and turning it into a all out Brutal Street Monster and Custom job, would be rediculous. "

For me; " Hey, makes perfect sense! "

The only place " the rubber meets the road " for me, is when we once again try to discredit someone or their animals because of a certain trait they may exhibit that could be out of the norm, but makes the animal no less beautiful and sure does not mean it automatically should go into the mutt category.

No Kevin, this was not directed entirely toward you as there are plenty I have talked too that have been the same way and no you have never discredited these type Peruvians and said, they are less than, just not your flavor, but others have been a little more harsh over the years and this was more of a question to kind of get a feel for what others thought concerning this and if it really mattered to them, just curious?

Anyway, past my bedtime " be good and play nice! "

John J

lol
You just made my point John!
Beautiful car, btw!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
*You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.*

Can you imagine the phone conversations two long winded people like us could have? LOL

My young friend there is one difference though, as one would compare Hobbies.

Hobbies that envolve materials, can be just as corky as this one at times.

However, this is a Hobby of living animals " yes like dogs, cats, ect.ect. " and when it comes to Hobbies that include animals, I just feel some of us could have a little more appreciation for the beautiful and unique characteristics that these animals have and not be so quick to group them as far as making one more great than the other in the group that may have less than desirable outward characteristics.

It does not bother me at all, to see a car get scrapped " it is just a bunch of metal, " but it bothers me greatly, to think about all of the " less than desirable Boas ect ect, " that get scrapped every year, just because they may not have the color or pattern that may be the rave, at the time.

Big difference to me JB.

Have A Good One!

John J

Sweet Machine John. I used to have a '79 Formula Firebird with a 6.6 olds engine in it.
It used to move ,I wish I would've kept that thing.
. . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Thanks!

This BEAST cost over 120 grand to build.

No expense was spared and the car was all original with 7000 miles on it, when it was built almost 10yrs ago.

1800 H.P. on 93 Octane, this one is a one of a kind and wins every show it goes too.

The power and torque produced by this Monster is almost painful.

John J