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I was on the Ball Python forum and they had a link to a page where people were talking about hybrids. Anyways a guy claimed that many "experts" had said that a BRB had been bred to a Yellow Anaconda. Anyone know how true this is? I thought it was kind of crazy.
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

ive heard that one aswell, certainly dont approve, but wouldnt say no to seeing a picture either
I know from one of the british forums i read, that there seems to be a few crb/brb animals in the UK, but guess thats not quite as drastic as the conda. Also not sure if this was just from one breeding, or if more have tried it.

jeff - do you have any info, on natural intergrades between the rainbow species? i mean are their natural crosses?

i see hybrids as fascinating in terms of a keeper being able to cycle and actually get offspring. I mean like ball x woma, and burm x ball. Animals from different continents. But once someone has done it, and proven it can be done, i see no point in mixing the species. There is enough fascinating species for the herper to choose from, i see no reason in trying to produce anything more than that.
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Dave

10.14 brbs

>>jeff - do you have any info, on natural intergrades between the rainbow species? i mean are their natural crosses?
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Just to clarify, are you referring to the *subspecies* of E. cenchria?? Given the overlapping ranges of some of the subspecies, and given that by definition subspecies can breed together, it's hard to imagine that there are no "natural intergrades." Not directing this at you, but seems like a lot of folks talk as if there are walls separating subspecies in the wild. Like you, I'd love to hear Jeff's (and any others') thoughts.

Keep in mind, though, that "intergrade" is based on a subjective, human definition that can (and often does) change. For example, what will happen if and when several previously defined P. cenchria subspecies are re-classified to being the same snake??

Thanks,
Ed

yeah some good points there. Yeah i was referring to the different epicrates cenchria subs. I have been reading a lot about hybrids and intergrades on another forum, and was wondering if it was known to happen much in the rainbows.
On reason i got interested, was have a look at the 2 pictures shown. Both were bought as brbs from czech and germany. Have a look at the scales between the eyes and the nostrils. There is different patterning. Now the yellow, has the same makeup as all my other animals, but the orange animal is different. I was wondering, if the orange is possibly some kind of intergrade for example. I have been unable to find good info on the cenchria head scale counts.

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Dave

10.14 brbs

I do not know if BRBs have been crossed to Yellow Anacondas or not. I do know that at the Orlando Expo about 10 years ago there was someone selling Colombian Rainbow Boas and whimsically calling them Rainacondas. Many people did not realize that it was a joke and there were people talking about "Rainacondas" for years afterwards. The different subspecies of Rainbow Boas do naturally intergrade with the other subspecies. The nominant subspecies the Brazilian Rainbow seems most similar to the Peruvian gaigei and Isla Marajo barbouri (possibly xerophilus and hygropholus also) and so intergrades of these subspecies are probably common and difficult to identify. The Colombian maurus subspecies is very different and intergrades of cenchria cernchria and cenchria maurus seem to result in some of the very different looking Rainbow Boas that show up in Guyana and Venezueala. However, the unnamed Guyanan spubspecies that is often imported seems to be a seperate subspecies that is different than either cenchria cenchria or cenchria maurus or the unidentified snakes. The reclassification of the Rainbow Boas making cenchria, gaigei and barbouri all the same subspecies and maurus a totally seperate species may be the right move in light of all this though the question of the Guyanan subspecies and the variable looking unidentifiable specimens seem to have not been adrdressed in the reclassification. I have not seen any snakes that were crosses of Rainbow Boas with other species. It is probably possible to cross them but not so easily that it could become a common practice.

>>I was on the Ball Python forum and they had a link to a page where people were talking about hybrids. Anyways a guy claimed that many "experts" had said that a BRB had been bred to a Yellow Anaconda. Anyone know how true this is? I thought it was kind of crazy.
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>>1.1 BRB
>>1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
>>1.0 Pastel Ball Python

That's very interesting. Thanks for the responses.
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

In the early 1970's a guy in Ohio bred a Colombian Rainbow Boa to a Yellow Anaconda and several babies were produced. I know this for a fact because I bought two of them and had them for some time. I bought them from Bob Baysinger but I don't think he's the one that produced them.........TC

Here is a photo I pulled off of a website a few years ago. (For the life of me I can't remember whose site)
I think I have posted it here before but when I asked about it I was told it was a cross between a Columbian Rainbow and a Green Anaconda. I would assume that if this cross could be done a BRB X yellow would definately be possible.

Thats very interesting. I wonder what kind of characteristics the offspring would take on from the parents.
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1.1 BRB
1.0 Columbian Red Tail Boa
1.0 Pastel Ball Python

one of the prettiest and nicest temperment groups of snakes (rainbows) crossed with one of the ugliest and notoriously bad tempered groups of snakes(conda's). Does anyone see a benefit to this outcome other then knowing it is genetically possible?

I suspect that you will get a huge variance in offsprings temperment as well as apearance.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
0.1 Pacific Gophersnake(unproven Hypo)
1.0 Amel Pacific Gophersnake
0.1 Striped Anery Pacific Gophersnake
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat