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Hey All,

I know that we have all talked and speculated about albino BRBs etc but I was messing around on google today trying to find some pics of BRBs in the wild and came across what I am pretty sure is an albino BRB, if not it is a beautiful hypo. Click this link and let me know what you guys think, I could have posted the pic here but one I didn't have permission from the owners and two I didn't want to mess with resizing.....anyway, let me know your thoughts!

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Ike Lightner

1.3 BRB (Dugo, Roxy, Brazita, & Lucille)

It looks a lot like a hypo to me. The one pic I've seen of the albino seems to show a lot more yellow. This snake looke like it has more orange. i could be wrong. Beautiful animal either way. it looks nice and big too. Thnaks for posting this!
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

A T plus maybe?
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Here's a pic of a Colombian Epicrates.
From what I see in the pic, the eyes of the albino BRB, or whatever species of Epicrates it is, are not red. Albinism in animals shows red eyes because of underlying retinal blood vessels where there is not enough pigment to cover them. I don't think there are any albino animals without red eyes. Probably not an albino. Lets leave the rest to the experts on here

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Thanks, Matt

If the google map with the PIC is accurate then it is probably a Peruvian, Epicrates cenchria gaigei. To me the snake looks hypo but a little different than the hypo Brazilian Rainbows.

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>>I know that we have all talked and speculated about albino BRBs etc but I was messing around on google today trying to find some pics of BRBs in the wild and came across what I am pretty sure is an albino BRB, if not it is a beautiful hypo. Click this link and let me know what you guys think, I could have posted the pic here but one I didn't have permission from the owners and two I didn't want to mess with resizing.....anyway, let me know your thoughts!
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There is a small zoo at the University of Tingo Maria?? I wonder if someone at the university would know anything about the snake?

>>If the google map with the PIC is accurate then it is probably a Peruvian, Epicrates cenchria gaigei. To me the snake looks hypo but a little different than the hypo Brazilian Rainbows.
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>>>>I know that we have all talked and speculated about albino BRBs etc but I was messing around on google today trying to find some pics of BRBs in the wild and came across what I am pretty sure is an albino BRB, if not it is a beautiful hypo. Click this link and let me know what you guys think, I could have posted the pic here but one I didn't have permission from the owners and two I didn't want to mess with resizing.....anyway, let me know your thoughts!
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I agree, looks like a killer hypo. The albinos on Rubio's and the Designer Morphs site all have a lot of yellow and white. And there is the eye thing. But what do I know, could be anything really. Anybody else know any spanish to email the zoo? Ha ha, my spanish is rudimentary but it gets me by at my job in retail so we could probably find someone better.
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Danne
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1.0 '07 BRB "Monroe"
1.0 '08 BRB 66% het Anery "Ace"
1.0 '08 Pastel BP "Sebastian"
1.1 Leos "Bowser & Peach"
0.2 Dumbo (non-feeder) rats "Josie & Holly"

Email = dshoback@eden.rutgers.edu

>>There is a small zoo at the University of Tingo Maria?? I wonder if someone at the university would know anything about the snake?
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... a road trip?

(Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit ENTER. I wish there was an edit feature!)

>>>>There is a small zoo at the University of Tingo Maria?? I wonder if someone at the university would know anything about the snake?
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>>>>>>>>I know that we have all talked and speculated about albino BRBs etc but I was messing around on google today trying to find some pics of BRBs in the wild and came across what I am pretty sure is an albino BRB, if not it is a beautiful hypo. Click this link and let me know what you guys think, I could have posted the pic here but one I didn't have permission from the owners and two I didn't want to mess with resizing.....anyway, let me know your thoughts!
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Doesn't Snakes by Sunset have the Albino Rainbow Boa?? There's pictures of it on their MySpace here: www.myspace.com/snakesatsunset (I hope no one minds me posting this; anyone that has a MySpace account can see it, their page is public). Is this the only one or are there more out their? Or maybe theirs more for each locale (Columbian, Rainbow, etc).

I'm sorry if these are stupid questions. I was blown away by the picture above, and never knew there were Albinos?
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

Ian G at Outback Reptiles is the one with the albino brb, and wouldnt suprise me at all if it was more than just one. He also has some albino CRB which came from Rubio Reptiles, who has the originals.

As for the photo, certainly looks like a hypo, be great if someone with a little spanish could actually find out
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Dave

10.14 brbs

Cool looking snake, thanks for posting! Just to add my two cents, I'd agree with most others that it looks hypo. (Not sure what the difference would be between "hypo" and "T positive" in rainbow boas, though, so I'll just say "hypo." ) While I hesitate to speculate on pigmentation, I'd say hypo for the simple reason there looks to be brown/black on that snake. Regarding true albinos being more yellow, given the range of colors (ie, possibly due to varying levels of erythrin and/or xanthin) with "normal" rainbows, personally (and I could be full of crap) I wouldn't conclude anything based on the yellow coloration, or lack thereof. Also, I guess it's my old eyes, but I can't see the eyes on that snake!

Thanks and Happy Holidays to all,
Ed

>>Hey All,
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>>I know that we have all talked and speculated about albino BRBs etc but I was messing around on google today trying to find some pics of BRBs in the wild and came across what I am pretty sure is an albino BRB, if not it is a beautiful hypo. Click this link and let me know what you guys think, I could have posted the pic here but one I didn't have permission from the owners and two I didn't want to mess with resizing.....anyway, let me know your thoughts!
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>>Ike Lightner
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>>1.3 BRB (Dugo, Roxy, Brazita, & Lucille)

I'm not sure what it is, I'll leave the speculation up to the people who know what they are talking about. I do know it is one beautiful snake though Thanks for the link.
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Thank you,

Tim

0.1 Wife- Melissa
0.1 Daughter- Alexa
0.1 CRB- Tempest
0.1 JCP- Serenity
1.0 Orange Cat- Elvis

If thats not a hypo then it deafinetly looks like a T albino. Most the different species of snakes I have seen that are T are more caramel colored then yellow. and that snake is deafinetly caramel.

but thats just the backround colors.... look at the markings i didnt notice that anyone made comment about the color of the marking they are still dark brownish. if that where an albino(either T or T-) i can see the backround color being the same but wouldnt the markings be white or yellow?? hypomel being a lack of black, and albino being NO black... my vote is for hypo

either way that is one gorgeous snake!!! there is a huge amount of WOW factor!
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-Stephen-
-Step-
-Steve Lightning-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
1.0 col redtail boa (Switch, formally known as Dixie)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Saphira)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--Brazilian rainbow boas
2 or 3 more? maybe a breeding trio or two pair
-- something for the wifey... my list got to big...

its really hard to tell if its an albino or not. But T albinos from what I have seen arent really yellow and dont have the bright red eyes of a T- albino.
Just got to VPIs website and look at the T albino sumtran short tail python.
From the pics I saw of peoples hypos on this forum. Most of the hypos had some black or very dark markins in the moons. The one in the OP pic has no black or darkness at all that I could see. Just one very stunning animal.

what color eyes do the albinos of this species have? Can someone post pics? I know some animals have clear iris, which sometimes look blueish due to reflection of light, we have an albino dobe whose eyes are clear/light blue and sometimes look red

Most of what I've seen of them are on sites where they don't actually admit to there existence, one of these being designer morphs -

http://www.designermorphs.com/submissions.htm

Kind of a teaser, maybe someone from my family will surprise me with the book for xmas If anyone else has it please let us know if they're listed.

And Rubio's site either has a pic of an albino BRB or CRB, can't tell too well. There was also a video of a leucistic on here in the past.

Others talk openly about albino BRBs though, such as Tony Basica and when I went to the show at White Plains a handful of breeders I spoke to said they had seen them before, multiples of them (but who knows really). Can't wait until they finally hit "main stream" haha although I'll never be able to afford one.

As for the zoo, I'll take a stab at an email to them if I can find an address for 'em. I'll have to warn them about my middle and high school spanish though A road trip would be much more preferable.
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Danne
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1.0 '07 BRB "Monroe"
1.0 '08 BRB 66% het Anery "Ace"
1.0 '08 Pastel BP "Sebastian"
1.1 Leos "Bowser & Peach"
0.2 Dumbo (non-feeder) rats "Josie & Holly"

Email = dshoback@eden.rutgers.edu

I'm thinking field trip..all of us. In an old, smelly, yellow school bus. Anyone in? It's a direct trip on school bus from the US to wherever the location is.
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Thanks, Matt

I am totaly game for this. lol I always wanted to go on a herping trip but never had a clue where to head. lol

These are not my pics but they are from a post in this forum earlier in the year. I tried to find the posting so I could just link to it but was unable to find it. I believe the pictures were posted by Ian of Outback Reptiles but I may be misremebering(going purely off memory). If I am incorrect and anyone knows who the original poster actually was then please correct me.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
0.1 Pacific Gophersnake(unproven Hypo)
1.0 Amel Pacific Gophersnake
0.1 Striped Anery Pacific Gophersnake
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

thats a very nice looking T- albino. wish i had one. lol

I only know of the one and I do not think it has been proven out yet.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
0.1 Pacific Gophersnake(unproven Hypo)
1.0 Amel Pacific Gophersnake
0.1 Striped Anery Pacific Gophersnake
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

I would imagine it would prove out. I cant think of any albino that hasnt.
I still think the pic that the OP posted is a T but no way to prove unless we road trip. lol

I can think of several albinos that did not prove out and they all just happened to be Rainbow Boas. AFAIK Ricardo is the only person who has had success with an albino Rainbow Boa project. Ricardo's are Colombian Rainbows. I do hope Ian produces some from his animal.

>>I would imagine it would prove out. I cant think of any albino that hasnt.
>>I still think the pic that the OP posted is a T but no way to prove unless we road trip. lol

interesting that you say others have come in, have they been T- or T ? and what do you mean havent proved out? I was under the impression, that at least albinos are all recessive?? actually in any species are there co dom or dom albinos?
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Dave

10.14 brbs

There is no rule that a certain appearance/morph will be caused by a specific type of gene( recessive, dominant, codominant, etc..)

As far as I know all of the albino's which have proven to be inheritable genes have been recessive genes. However that does not meen that tomorrow someone could not find a albino snake that was a dominant albino gene.

The reason that the more extreme appearance changing genes tend to be recessive is because the animals showing the gene are more likely to be killed by predators in the wild. So if the gene was dominant and every animal showing the gene was killed by predators then none would be left alive to breed. But if the gene is recessive then you can have lots of animals who carry the gene but do not show it so they are not killed off by the predators. Since these heterozygous normals are not killed off they can survive to breed and pass on the gene to future generations.

Also there are plenty of cases where a random mutation/birth defect causes a abnormal appearance in a animal but is not passed on to the offspring(i.e. non-inheritable). I am not familiar with the albino specimens that proved to be non-inheritable but I am familliar with many cases of this happening for hypo looking animals or animals with abberant patterns.

Hope that clears it up for you a little bit. If not then I appologize as I am half asleep at the moment.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
0.1 Pacific Gophersnake(unproven Hypo)
1.0 Amel Pacific Gophersnake
0.1 Striped Anery Pacific Gophersnake
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

nah it makes sense, cheers for that answer. Gets you thinking though doesnt it
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Dave

10.14 brbs

without hard fast rules it means there is so much more speculation to do and it all has to be proven out with trials. which is both fun and frustrating lol.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
0.1 Pacific Gophersnake(unproven Hypo)
1.0 Amel Pacific Gophersnake
0.1 Striped Anery Pacific Gophersnake
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

yeah see with this one it is all white and yellowish where as the pic of the snake at the top of this thread still has the dark brown or black markings
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-Stephen-
-Step-
-Steve Lightning-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
1.0 col redtail boa (Switch, formally known as Dixie)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Saphira)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--Brazilian rainbow boas
2 or 3 more? maybe a breeding trio or two pair
-- something for the wifey... my list got to big...