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Any breeders of arabesques out there?

I've seen some with almost no speckling. Can the speckling be
bred out?

I recently got a very clean male lipstick line hypo het for
albino. He has almost no speckling on his entire body.

I'm curious if I bred him to a female het for albino arabesque
if the speckling might get diminished or if it would have no
affect on the outcome.

The answer is yes, but why? Speckling is one of the traits that makes an Arabesque an Arabesque. Otherwise they'd just be Fineline Boas............
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South Central Herpetological

Fineline boas are arabesques with no speckling?

I've never heard of them before. They are much rarer than ordinary arabesques aren't they?

Yes in fact you can breed the speckles out of an Arabesque Boa.
In fact your Arabesque already has diminished speckles in my opinion.
When Eric said taking speckles out of the Arab would turn it into a Fineline. He didn't mean that literally.
The FineLine Boas are selectively bred group of Boas that I know Jeff Ronne ,Clay English and a few others work with fairly often.
Just to be clear they are not related to Arabesque Boas.
I've always thought FineLine paired with Arabesque Boas would be a great to refine the Arabs saddles .
If that would be a direction someone wanted to take that project.
Merry Christmas
. . . . Lar M

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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I wasn't sure, I didn't think so but I'm not at all familiar
with those...

I had thought that Hammond originated the "Fine Line" boas but recently am not so certain. I know he does breed boas that he calls Fine Line that are the result of several generations of selectively breeding Columbians. I have a pair that are very nice (I say humbly). I got a thin saddled Arabesque female to breed with my male Fine Line. I had asked Steve Hammond about it and was told that yes, a thin saddled to a thin saddled will generally produce more thin saddled than a thin to thick breeding. Not a recessive trait, just blending I think you would call it.
Here is the young Fine Line.

posted the other too soon!
This shows the male a picture where he's ~ 3yo, and the pair together for the first time, and as a yearling.

Andy

Your right I was going mention Mr. Hammond as well. I remember
he had some great Fine Lines in '03 or '04 that I wanted badly.
Your is very beautiful !!
Merry Christmas
. . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

That may well be the one you wanted, they are both '04s. I asked about their history at the time, this is Hammond's reply:
 The Fine Lines were first produced here in the 1980's from a Colombian male that had narrow saddles and a normal pattern Colombian female. I kept all of the Fine Line offspring back that first year (about a 1/4  of the litter). Five years later these were bred together and with some other unrelated normal pattern Colombians. It is from those litters that they were first put on the market. I have been selectively breeding them ever since. The pair you are getting represent the best I've ever produced! Steve

I think it is interesting how much color they have developed. He advertised it as a black and white male. At about three years they both really started to color up!

Andy

What you may have seen could have been the "sunburst" arabesque line..... Steve Hammond has found a way to produce these very clean, low speckled arabesques. They also seem to have an orangish/yellowish color to them and are extremely beautiful. To be honest, I have no idea how he first produced them. It may have been several years of selective breeding that cleaned them up. I don't have a clue. But that may have been what you saw.

nice, but I've also seen some that I don't think came from him
that were very clean.

At the end of next year I plan on trying that pair out.
The hypo might be a super so it should be an interesting litter
for me. It would be great if the albinos and sunglows kept the
speckling & the normals and hypos were clean.

Since there are some lines that have less and other that have more... I would think yes, it can.

I dont think you're necessarily going to do it solely by breeding a clean animal to an arabesque. It's going to take generations of picking out the cleanest arabesque and breeding it to other clean animals to really develop a clean line.

I think its a great idea to work towards. I dont think they'd be "just finelines" at all. Finelines, from what I've seen, arent a very extreme phenotype (different looking morph) and arent nearly as consistant as arabesques.

If you make a really clean arabesque that produces consistantly I think it will be very desirable.

That's what I meant, over time.

I didn't get that male with the intention of pairing him to my
arabesque. It just occurred to me yesterday that he might be a
better choice than the male stripeline albino I was going to use.

I personally like the high speckled look of the arabesque but that's just my opinion.
That female is *hot* and I think that would be a great pair! you'll probably get babies that run the gamet (sp?) of speckled and cleaner animals. Good luck!
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

Thanks April, good luck to you too.

I see you've got some boas that are feeling festive. I need to
get some mistletoe or something I've got two pairs that seem to
be content to just hang out all coiled up together.