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nobody ever wins - everybody is a boob eventually

Bill - time to chill, you will get nowhere

Brian - you might have done all this maybe even probably but without some proof you are just a name on a post. Do u have pix of your facility, your eggs, your animals? I have been lurking here a while and dont remember ever seeing anything from you to prove anything. what do u do with the babys. were do u live maybe somebody on this list could visit you and take pix. that would prove it to me.

thank you

I'll gladly go and look as long as we can arrange a time and place.

Chris

I'll gladly go and look as long as we can arrange a time and place.

Chris
The Ultimate Guide to Crocodilians in Captvity

You're right, the whole argument got very silly. But I really don't see why I would need to provide "proof". I post my experiences and one either accepts it or doesn't, no big deal. Besides, how would pictures of my facility and incubators prove my statements on incubation periods?? I would think that my words might be testimony enough and would mirror a level of knowledge and experience. Personally, I can tell when someone posts bogus information or accounts. It always shows through. I would think others would have this ability too. But seriously, this is my life. I never tire of it and I'm always just as excited to get up close and personal with each laying. I have hundreds of hours of film and I still film each nest construction. It pays off too. One year I had two females working in tandem on the same nest. One female was not gravid, but was in building mode nontheless. I had never seen females working in partnership towards the same goal, building the same nest. Up until that point (just a few years ago) I would have never believed it was possible and I would have thought they would be aggressive toward one another when the other approached the other's nest. They both worked on repeatedly excavating and mulching the egg cavity to be, getting it to the right consistency. But when it came time for the gravid female to deposit her eggs, the non-gravid female lost all interest in the nest. But I caught all of this unusual team work on video. For footage like this I usually build a blind very close to the site as the females often stop what they are doing when they see you. They are not aggressive at this point, but I still don't like to disturb them. On the night or very early morning of the egg depositing (I have had this as late/early as 6:30am) I get right up to the nest and dig a viewport so I can film the laying. About 30 minutes prior to laying, the female goes into a laying trance and if one is careful they can get the whole laying on film. I had close up footage of eggs coming out of the cloaca years before animal planet even existed. I knew I had something special because I had never seen it on tv. When I offered to sell it to Natl Geo, and later, better footage in the late 90's to Animal Planet, they declined because it "was not professional shot" as they put it. They never even looked at it. A couple years later I saw some egg laying footage on The Crocodile Hunter. I hate to say it, but my amatuer footage was/is better. I have it very close and every detail captured and the dull clink of the porcelain-like shells as the eggs roll down the slanted 30 degree rear wall of the egg cavity hole and impact the other eggs is very clear and loud. Sometimes the females' feet are down in this hole and to the sides of the egg ramp but they don't slow them down any. It'a amazing that the eggs don't break more often than they do from impacting each other. But even the occasional cracked one will hatch.

By the way, when the egg laying is done and in the 5 or 10 minute pause before the female begins to cover the egg hole, I remove the eggs. But I have had times when the female began busily covering them as I was trying to remove them and that was quite an ordeal. Fortunately I always count as they are being laid, so I know how many to remove, etc. Just the fact that she's moving while you are trying to be gentle with these delicate eggs makes it nerve wracking. Plus she's covering the others up as you are placing each egg, so you have to remove the debris as well.

Anyhow, I got carried away here. But the point is that I love this stuff and will be out there in the thick of things as long as I am able. I think it's cool that I have the same fascination with this as I did when I was 10. I can go and hold and look at the rear foot of a big male and just be in awe for hours. I don't think this part of me will ever die.

>>nobody ever wins - everybody is a boob eventually
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>>Bill - time to chill, you will get nowhere
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>>Brian - you might have done all this maybe even probably but without some proof you are just a name on a post. Do u have pix of your facility, your eggs, your animals? I have been lurking here a while and dont remember ever seeing anything from you to prove anything. what do u do with the babys. were do u live maybe somebody on this list could visit you and take pix. that would prove it to me.
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>>thank you
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

When I refer to the "30 degree rear wall", I am describing the pitch of the slant,.. not the temperature. Though, ironically, Celsius would be close to what it may be, lol.

I have it very close and every detail captured and the dull clink of the porcelain-like shells as the eggs roll down the slanted 30 degree rear wall of the egg cavity hole and impact the other eggs is very clear and loud.
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

"The whole argument got very silly. But I really don't see why I would need to provide "proof". I post my experiences and one either accepts it or doesn't, no big deal."

If it really isn't a big deal why prolong a post after what you experienced has been written whether or not it is liked? I don't know, but for something that isn't much of a big deal you seem to repeat yourself on the topic..

" Besides, how would pictures of my facility and incubators prove my statements on incubation periods??"

It may not prove your Breeding techniques and the such, but some of us wonder about things you've said in the past, which I wont go through as this thread is long enough as it is.. No need for another argument.

" I would think that my words might be testimony enough and would mirror a level of knowledge and experience. Personally, I can tell when someone posts bogus information or accounts. It always shows through."

Not always the case, alot of cons are very good at what they do, but I see the point on why would someone lie about keeping a species or two of a crocodilian. Really no point in it unless they care to impress a community an sadly many people want the attention..

As for the thread below, where did the guy get specific on the species he was wanting the info. about because you were a bit fast to reply an answer of an un-described species, he could have been talking about Spectacle caimans (which lay a few weeks earlier than my Gators-Normally around Mid July early August).
Ironically, my gators normally lay in August-september. Also, to of saved alot of space and me reading the same thing over and over should have actually written something informational instead of spitting out two months for something that wasn't even declared. Also, why don't you use the "30 year" phrase anymore? Popped it down to 26.. Just curious.. As for your book, Moss was right in the post responding to your book post, and I'm a bit curious to how you will keep everyone from laughing at you when you state your laying months when we are all stuck on these wrong books that say alligators generally lay in aug-sept.? Then again, there are many different factors between the naturally occurring states and Cali. By the way, According to Harris,  the state only issues permits to qualified institutions for limited purposes such as public exhibition, endangered species breeding, research, or shelter, and for some reason a Brian Sharp doesn't exist in the data logs, but I'm guessing it isn't your real name so I'll assume you are on and Im curious to what institution you run or work for, I have a few friends from Cali that would love to check it out.. They love crocodilians, but lack proper paperwork.. What kind of permit do you posse again?
Sorry for the rambling, just had to ask some things that I felt needed to be answered..
Xain
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He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.

>>"The whole argument got very silly. But I really don't see why I would need to provide "proof". I post my experiences and one either accepts it or doesn't, no big deal."
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>>If it really isn't a big deal why prolong a post after what you experienced has been written whether or not it is liked? I don't know, but for something that isn't much of a big deal you seem to repeat yourself on the topic..
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>>" Besides, how would pictures of my facility and incubators prove my statements on incubation periods??"
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>>It may not prove your Breeding techniques and the such, but some of us wonder about things you've said in the past, which I wont go through as this thread is long enough as it is.. No need for another argument.
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>>" I would think that my words might be testimony enough and would mirror a level of knowledge and experience. Personally, I can tell when someone posts bogus information or accounts. It always shows through."
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>>Not always the case, alot of cons are very good at what they do, but I see the point on why would someone lie about keeping a species or two of a crocodilian. Really no point in it unless they care to impress a community an sadly many people want the attention..
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>>As for the thread below, where did the guy get specific on the species he was wanting the info. about because you were a bit fast to reply an answer of an un-described species, he could have been talking about Spectacle caimans (which lay a few weeks earlier than my Gators-Normally around Mid July early August).
>>Ironically, my gators normally lay in August-september. Also, to of saved alot of space and me reading the same thing over and over should have actually written something informational instead of spitting out two months for something that wasn't even declared. Also, why don't you use the "30 year" phrase anymore? Popped it down to 26.. Just curious.. As for your book, Moss was right in the post responding to your book post, and I'm a bit curious to how you will keep everyone from laughing at you when you state your laying months when we are all stuck on these wrong books that say alligators generally lay in aug-sept.? Then again, there are many different factors between the naturally occurring states and Cali. By the way, According to Harris,  the state only issues permits to qualified institutions for limited purposes such as public exhibition, endangered species breeding, research, or shelter, and for some reason a Brian Sharp doesn't exist in the data logs, but I'm guessing it isn't your real name so I'll assume you are on and Im curious to what institution you run or work for, I have a few friends from Cali that would love to check it out.. They love crocodilians, but lack proper paperwork.. What kind of permit do you posse again?
>>Sorry for the rambling, just had to ask some things that I felt needed to be answered..
>>Xain
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>>He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

I'd get the ol' "I can't hear you routine", but that's fine; Only concludes my thesis..
Goodday
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He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.