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so last year i got this ch male snake from one of my jobs(i work at a pet store and also do land scapping) anyway they got in a ch snake and i liked it it was just a normal a couple months went by and they still had it and i looked at it a little closer it had alot of orange kinda the same markers as a yellow belly. and me and my boss were joking about naming it a orange belly me and him never hearing of one yet anyway like a month or so later in the ball classifieds i seen a orange belly! lol and im noticing it alot more now so i was wondering what they are are they the same as a yellow belly just orange in stead of yellow? or is there something differant about them? do they produce the same ivory or with a orange stripe or what do they produce? does anyone have pictures of any?
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reed at www.ReedsDragons.com & www.KillerEnclosures.com

I searched the classifieds and didn't see what you are talking. Are you refering to the Orange Ghost? Thats a hypo with an orange tinto it's washed out looking.
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Spider 1.0
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Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 1.0

>>I searched the classifieds and didn't see what you are talking. Are you refering to the Orange Ghost? Thats a hypo with an orange tinto it's washed out looking.
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>>Pastel 1.0
>>Spider 1.0
>>Normals 1.2
>>Het Pied 1.0
>>Leopard Geckos 1.1
>>American Bulldog 1.0

in this one posted by bensiegel "350 GRAM IVORY-VERY WHITE-GRAPHITE SIRED-$2000-free male inside-PICS ....
GRAPHITE SIRED IVORY-this 350 gram female was produced by our graphite male bred to orangebelly female. She is turning snow white with a nice crisp yellow stripe. She was sired by our graphite male which has proven to reproduce himself this year. She is a rat destroyer and is well on feed. $2000 and she comes with a completely gorgeous unrelated vpi line het ivory male for FREE

$2000 with free het male "

from what i get out of the add it produced teh female ivory
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reed at www.ReedsDragons.com & www.KillerEnclosures.com

The orangebelly is Bens line of YB that produces the graphite. You might want to send him a picture of your animal and ask him what he thinks.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

You are right about it being Ben's line. There is a lot of potential in this line. So far, it has produced orangebellies, ivories, ultra ivories, paradox ivory, and graphite. I was lucky enough to get a trio of orangebelly siblings of the paradox, as well as one of the graphites.

Orangebelly female:

In this pic, you can see that she is truly a yellowbelly type, and can see some of the orange color in the belly. My camera skills do not do her justice. At 500g, her belly has more orange than it did when I got her.

Here is the graphite. Tough to capture his true color, still working on my camera skills. Also, like his father, he is maturing into his graphite color with every shed.

Derek

Wow, I need to start proof reading my posts!
I've never heard of it at all, haven't heard of the graphite either. Maybe it's the company name for something else? I'm going to try and find that add incase there are pictures on it because I'd love to see it.
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Pastel 1.0
Spider 1.0
Normals 1.2
Het Pied 1.0
Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 1.0

BS Graphite Page - Scroll down to pictures.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Yeah I was about to post this, lol.

ORANGEBELLY-my proven het ivory bloodline that originated the graphite ivory male-$500/pair-sold out

Ok so it's something I think he is on the forefront of. Heres a link to page on his site.

http://www.albinonile.com/id14.html

He even has a paradox ivory which I think is one of the coolest animals I've seen by far.

The Orange Belly as he is calling it looks to have a pattern mutation as well if you look at the pictures he has.

Keep it up, they look great!
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Pastel 1.0
Spider 1.0
Normals 1.2
Het Pied 1.0
Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 1.0

>> BS Graphite Page - Scroll down to pictures.
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>>Tosha
>> JET Pythons
>> Toshas Blog
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thanks for the link a graphite ivory would be an awsome one to produce. ill have to get pictures my only problem is im a horrible picture taker with the snakes as you could tell from the yb ones lol they never turn out that great like them ones they turned out looking alot browner and normal looking than they did in person
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reed at www.ReedsDragons.com & www.KillerEnclosures.com

orangebelly is my line of proven het ivory--I named them orangbellys as the original male is very pretty and orange even as an adult compared with many yellowbellys I have seen. He tends to reproduce orangebellies when Bred. He also fathered the graphite animal which fathered the ultras and the paradox, but fully understanding the genetics is still in the works. I was just happy to reproduce two graphites this year using the graphite male. He also produced ultras in every clutch he fathered when bred to a het ivory female. Roughly 50 % ultras. As far as the graphites for this year, I kept the female and my friends Derek and Rob got the male. I know of one other person who I sold het ivory orangebelly line animals to that also produced a graphite animal, from my line. Orangebellys are still yellowbellys, just a prettier version. I strongly beleive the orange type ybs produce the graphites some how. In my opinion there are 3 types of yb balls. Very vibrant orange ones ---more yellow ones and then the dark ones. They are all very variable but all I have seen seem to fall into those 3 distinct types. My original dark female who mothered the original graphite male was very dark and unattractive, and many people years ago said she was definately not a yb. I had faith in the old girl and she proved her first breeding. Any way you slice it--ybs and ivorys are awesome to work with and one of the best things about them?--they are total chow hounds from birth to adult size. They rarely miss meals and grow quickly. I have alot of balls that feed well, but for some reason I can always count on ybs to eat regardless. I have albinos that eat great and others that are a pain--same with pastels-pieds-spiders etc, but with ybs--its like it is in there genetic makeup to be good feeders. I have talked to many other breeders and customers who agree with this being true. Any others experience with that?

I've found the same with my spiders. Total eating machines, then there is the Anery female corn I have and she eats the same way, I've given her six live mice in one sitting.
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Pastel 1.0
Spider 1.0
Normals 1.2
Het Pied 1.0
Leopard Geckos 1.1
American Bulldog 1.0

Have to agree with you there Ben. Mine are voracious feeders. They eat anything and everything I offer them. As a matter of fact, if you look at my earlier post, it looks like I may need to deprive them of a few meals! Also, I have seen many yellowbellies fade with age, but the orangebellies seem to get more colorful as they mature.

Derek

I am breeding 2 O.B. females to my Upscale Caramel and backing him up if need be later in the season with my Butter Belly.

One of my girls got to 1600 grams in 18 months. She was bred last year, but did not go -- just as well. The 2nd went thorough a fasting patch around 800 grams that lasted a bit. She has been eating well of late and I will begin breeding her next week.

They are both past 2 now and I am hoping for the best as always. Both are pretty!!! Thanks Ben!!!
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Bill Buchman