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Here are a few pics I took just before my last Stroke of my Joliffe Snow. Hope you like them . Thanks David

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granted I don't know much about snows, but that looks like an albino. Am I mistaking some how?
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A lot of snows have a very light pigmentation to them and especially 2nd generation ones , each generation will get lighter than the one before it . Thanks David

Most "Snows" attain a little yellowing as they age, the same way many "Axanthics" tend to "Brownout". As Hatchlings you can tell they are Snows cause they are pretty much all white, but as they age they do aquire a little bit of yellow.

Like many Ball Python morphs, they look best as hatchlings, but tend to change as they age.
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Love seeing SnowBall Pics, don't get to see enough of them, thanks for sharing..
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thanks I love the fellow . he was even better looking 2 years ago when I was offered 11k for him . but my wife Threatened me with divorce if I sold him !!!!lol. thanks again David

he is a late 2005. and the most outgoig ball I have . David

snows sometimes have a faint yellow pattern. i think the amount of yellow they show depends on the axanthic line. the best axanthics produce the best snows...
BTW i am partial to all white snakes I WANT THEM ALL!
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have to agree there is a lot of yellow in that one is he/she SK or VPI line. I have seen faded albino with close to the same amount of pattern speaking of witch I think the faded binos with the VPIs make the best snows out there. JMO
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

Jolliff is its own line of axanthic.

Seems like you never see adult pictures of any of the snow lines so I've assumed they all show yellow. Glad this one got posted, very cool.

Da little early for me ya I realize Joliffe is his own line. I think there the one that browns out the most. I have seen some at shows and that one has the most yellow I have ever seen in an adult most line claim that the yellow lessons as they age. I know B Sharps VPI snows dont have that much yellow for sure. I have a fadded albino I got fron B Sharp that when in shed looks alot more like a snow than his meaning no disrespect. Its still a very nice snake by all means this is JMO but to say I havent seen any adults is crazy there are always 1 or 2 at shows and i try to go to alot of them.only pic i could find was like 4 years old and he has fadded alot since then .

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Vince Pramuk []__[]

snows wouldnt hardly be worth breeding if they all look like that one still not say its not a beautifull ball but for a double recessive I wouldnt wast my time and effort. Just go for albino ivory , lussy or super cin they would all be more what a snow should look like.
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

da says joliffe right in the title
here is what I think a snow should look like
hope its alright to post these Pics from Brian Sharp his snows

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and here are adults from Ralph Davis pag Joliff and vpi
hope you dont mind Ralph Davis
I think the point is clear that snow has alot of yellow in its pattern

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Vince Pramuk []__[]

not edit ment to say that the snake in the original post has alot of yellow not ralphs
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

The problem with a picture like that is that it was taken indoors with a flash. High white snakes are notoriously difficult to photograph because the flash will often wash them out and make them look a lot lighter then they are in person. Dave's pictures are obviously taken outdoors under natural lighting and are probably more representative of the true colors of the snake.

Vance that is a Ralph Davis animal , Sorry you think he isn’t worth the effort but I do! And when he produces several generations down the road they will be all white and stay all white . As a baby he was as white as toilet paper but he is pushing 4 years old now and has gained a lot of pigmentation . But he will never be any less of a snow to me than any of my other snows .Thanks David

I've still not been able to make it to the big shows. So you are saying there are ADULT snows displayed at the shows and they aren't yellow? The ones in your pic look nice but even the one in the shadows doesn't look all that old. I figured the reason I'm not seeing posted pictures is that they have been a bit of a disappointment and most are concentrating on other breedings. I did go ahead and throw my possible double het male from Brian with one possible het albino girl anyway but I'm putting most of my possible het albino girls with either a possible double het stripe albino or a possible double het pied albino. I'd still like to go for a snow stripe some day.

there are ones on B Sharps page I posted above that I beleive are his breeders or at lest very close they have some yellow but very little compaired to the one above
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

crap edit again I ment Ralps Page and they are posted abouve as well
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

here is a link sure you have been there before but here you go ralphs adult male even locked up with a female not much yellow at all
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/collection/pythons/ball/vpi_snow_ball_python.asp
peace have a great day.
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

Most snows will yellow, especially with the line of axanthic as you stated. I doubt many adult snows are at shows because of this reason as well as scarcity. Brian's snows have always been nice and the VPI is a much better line of axanthics for reducing the yellow pigment but it is all in what you like. One thing I can tell you is that snows don't photograph well and they always appear less vibrant in photos.

I have to also disagree with the "hardly worth breeding" comment too or you'd pay the same price for a faded albino as a you would a snow. Another example would be a ghost/albino or hybino versus the albino. It is all in the value of the genetics and such subtleties can be seen by the trained eye. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

after looking again def/ a snow just has more than average pattern showing but the lighting might be bring it out even more
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

I do not know enough about Snow's to comment on whether or not it is one, but I do know that if I saw the pics, with no title, I would think it was a nice Albino. I think the Joliff line would make a better True Ghost than Snow.

Dave

This wouldn't look much different but if you want more white, how about going for three recessives? Like axanthic/pied/albino?
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I find it very hard to believe that is a snow with THAT much yellow on it. It looks like an albino.
Are you sure it's not an albino? Maybe a het that could make a snow?
No offense but that looks nothing like a snow IMO.

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Vince Pramuk []__[]

It all depends on what line of axanthic you use, as its been stated the VPI Line tends to be the most white, but even VPI Snows can gain a little bit of yellowing as they age. Snows are not perfectly white as adults, if you look at the axanthics, many of the lines brown out, VPI tends to stay the most grey into adult hood, its that "Browning out" that causes the yellow pigment as they age.

SK and Joliff snows tend to gain a bit more yellow, but what he has is a snow...There just aren't many older ones shown...I would pay money to see a pure white older snow...I have yet to see one.
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Even my snow corns aren't all white.
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I would say 100% snow, I have seen many snows including Joliffs in person and they all have a yellow pigment to them. Like others have stated some tend to have more yellow depending on lines, and as they age the yellow does increase. Its just like pastels, some brown out others stay light yellow some have orange. But that is definatley no questions about it a snow.
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David --

Do you have any baby pictures of him?

Glad to see you back!
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Tosh I don’t know if you remember but I lost almost every thing in a fire 2 years ago including most all my photos as they were in my computer or on back up disc on my desk , so no I don’t but I do have a pick of a het he produced almost 2 years ago and it look like a faded albino . And I also have another het from Ralph as well so in a couple of years (if my health holds out ) I will have a number of 3rd and 4th generation snows . As I stated a ways down this page I just got out of rehab from my 2nd stroke ,so who nose what will happen with all my projects if I cant go forward with them , maybe someone will step up and finish them for me just to see were they go . Thanks to everyone for your comments as I value them all and yes even yours Vance LOL.!!. David

does look just like a blushing albino before they turn more yellow....I made like 8 of them this year or so...??

.....hopefully it turns more white....??

good luck...
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