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Interesting little snakes.

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Randy Whittington

You have good taste in snakes Randy. There are not many People working with those. I have seen on a website that there is some different way to cycle them for breeding, but I also read in a book that the standard 3 month brumation in winter(and and little luck) is all that is needed. What is your understanding?
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Matt Kauffman

Thanks Matt. They can be bred with a standard brumation.
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Randy Whittington

What kind of clutch size do they produce? Is there starting to be a larger supply of cb's? You almost never see any.

John

Thanks John. I hope to breed them for the first time next year so I am speaking from second hand info from a friend who's has produced and hatched a few clutches. I think they can have in the 6 to 10 clutch size range. Many people have found the eggs difficult to hatch. Captive bred ones are still very hard to find and they are another one of those asians that I wouldn't try a wild caught for any price.
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Randy Whittington

Best of luck Randy. As far as hatching, do they have eggs that are hard for the hatchlings to cut? I heard Gonyosoma have that problem and now that they are starting to be lumped with Gonyosoma maybe they have similar egg shells. Just a guess.

Regards
John

What do the prices run on those? Captive bred as well as wild caught?
They are a species I MIGHT consider for a breeding project..

Matthew

"hard for the hatchlings to cut"

I find it hard to believe that is related to the egg itself, doesn't make sense for nature to make it tough for an animal to extricate itself.

I believe it is directly related to the husbandry (incubation technique) of the egg itself during it's incubation period. Most likely related to the proper humidity being used, probably their requirements are different then what is typically used to incubate Colubrid eggs successfully.

Interesting stuff!!!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I think it's more a case of people getting the right incubating techniques. Although many of the asians need higher humidity than many species i've found that they don't need much more if any more moisture or humidity than the average species to hatch properly. I think some people as I used to do incubate some of the asians too moist and it makes the eggs hard and thats often why they don't hatch. Years ago I used to try and incubate taeniura eggs too moist and got poor hatch rates but they improved when I started incubating them more like eggs from some other ratsnakes that needed less humidity.

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Randy Whittington

too moist does not necessarily mean "low" or "high" humidity ,

did I ask that correctly ? lol

It's late lol
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

too moist as in setting IN moist vermic...like we do corns and all..

.House snakes

...I have had like 5 litters...

bad bad hatch rate.....0,1,0,2,5 of 7 eggs each clutch....

how did I go up to 5?...(one then died after hatching, the biggest one that absorbed the most moisture)...

I didn't add any water to the egg box...I just used a used pint box with vermic in it from before and added 0 water...left it dry, then all hatched but the one on bottom that was moist....it died full term, then as said the opne died after hatching ,too big, too much water was absorbed into it...neck and all swell...

so...dryer (yet humid) is better as Randy said....

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Yea Frank I think that too much moisture in the incubating material itself is the worst. I learned that the hard way years ago. I've heard the same from friends who have bred a lot of asian ratsnakes. I think in a warm incubater that too much moisture in the substrate can make it sort of muggy(excessive humidity) to the point of not only too much moisture being absorbed by the eggs via the substrate but also from moisture settling on the eggs. It can often make the eggs hard and definatly promotes a nice healthy mold growth.

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Randy Whittington

I wasn't implying that Gonyosoma had trouble hatching in the wild. Implicit in my statement was a captive hatching situation. After all as much as I feel my words are revered in the ratsnake world, I stop short in thinking that Gonyosoma out in the jungle either:
1) Value my advice
2) Can operate a keyboard and mouse with either snout or tail.

But imagine if they could. At that point kingsnake.com classifieds would begin to sound like a lonely hearts club message board

MWM seeking chinese mandarin couple for breeding and much, much more. Must be willing to relocate. Free food, home and brumation. Must be non-smokers and have extraordinary color.

Regards
John

Lonely green male seeking female company of same, no freeks or weirdos please.
LOL

Matthew
We can advertise for them!

W/M/LIND (slightly bug-eyed) seeks understanding W/F/LIND to spend the lonely winter nights and help me clean up my gene pool. Must love kids and tupperware. No hets or obsoleta need apply.

LOL..
I'll write mine out for my two Ratsnakes..

Single female corn looking for ideal SMC, no weirdo morphs or Great Plains need apply.

SMB looking for his soulmate, all locales welcome. No lizard eaters need apply.

Matthew

They look like little Gonysomas!

Matthew

Randy

I have always wanted some of those but never pulled the trigger.

Great lookin animals. When I think of a top notch collect, I think of you bro! Very nice.

Jason

Thanks a lot Jason.
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Randy Whittington

Randy,

How hideously expensive are these little green beauties? I hate even asking..

Matthew

If you find them they are in the $1000 a pair range for captive produced babies that are being sold from the actual breeder, not someone who says they are captive bred but didn't actually produce them.
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Randy Whittington

Randy,

Hmm about 500 or more bucks. About what I thought, really. Might be worth it!

Matthew

Larry Keller has some available at the moment if anyone wanted to pursue. Good luck breeding them next year Randy, but if you don't mind, I may call you up for some tips.. I know you'll have them!
Ryan

Those Larry have are from the same lines mine are from. They were produced by Rex Knight. One of the most knowledgeable asian ratsnake breeders out there.
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Randy Whittington

I just now noticed the blue eyes, cool! What are their personalities like? Gonoysoma like?

Matthew

Not at all! I have a trio and they rarely bite. They also hatch out with green eyes but within a year, they turn blue. Kinda cool!
Ryan

Kinda cool? No, I think extremely cool. Maybe too cool for school! LOL
Good to hear..

Matthew

can someone explain the husbandry requirements of this species?
may have to get a pair very soon!