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The original pyro stack and some more

FR Jan 13, 2009 09:53 AM

heres a pic of AN ORIGINAL pyro stack.

About stacks, The term "retes stack" was coined in 1991 and published in both the Vivaium and Reptiles mags a few years later.

I started testing and using them in the early seventies. After seeing many events like this picture.

This pic was taken two years ago in an area close to me. I have watched these animals over twenty years.

These gilas were actually mating in this wide crack. I have seen them copulate in the open once and in this crack once. Over a very long period of time. They must copulate underground most of the time.

Heres a pic of a pair that I saw copulating out. There are three pair within meters of eachother.

Heres a giant lyresnake. I estimate shes around five feet or more. I have never seen one that large before. And yes, there is a pair of gaint individuals working this spot.

The above individual has the weirdest pattern I have ever seen on a lyresnake.
Its mate is very large, and of normal pattern

To put their size in a little perspective, the crack is over an inch wide.

I have have thousands of more pics of this thermoregulation behavior in free ranging reptiles. But you get the picture. In most of these cases, there are steps. That is, there are connecting areas that have a range of temps. In most cases, when its warm out. They are down in the cooler areas, and when its very cool out, they come to the upper areas. They only come in the open on very rare circumstances when there is extreme need and extra cold mass conditions. I have many many pics of them deep in holes and cracks as well.

I have studied the gila site and the same individuals, in some cases, for over 30 years. With touching them, observation only. My rarest photo is of a female gila ovulating. Cheers

Replies (14)

Joe Forks Jan 13, 2009 10:12 AM

Frank,
That Lyre looks more like a molossus!
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Photography by Joseph E. Forks

FR Jan 13, 2009 10:15 AM

Yes, its banded instead of diamonds, like the other. Don't laugh, I took Hugh there this last spring and photograghed a blacktail in there. Hugh had a huge laugh at my expense. As the snake was way in and very hard to photograph. I spend a lot of time and cuss words trying to get a good photo. But I eventually did. I will look it up if you wish. Cheers

Joe Forks Jan 13, 2009 10:19 AM
BobS Jan 13, 2009 10:51 AM

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Sometimes I think the kid with two pet snakes has something that those of us with 50 to 200 lost a long time ago.

FR Jan 13, 2009 06:03 PM

Naw, its not gravid, but its so large, its sides were bulged way out, to squeeze into that crack. Cheers

CrimsonKing Jan 13, 2009 12:20 PM

haha. My first impression as well was of a crotalus.
:Mark
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FR Jan 13, 2009 06:05 PM

hahahahaha ok, I will be honest, I first saw it from about 50 ft away, and I had the thought of a Krait in my mind, hahahahahahahaha, I had no idea what it was until I got much closer.

I have many hundreds of lyresnake pics, some are very pretty. One of my favorite snakes. Cheers

FR Jan 13, 2009 08:24 PM

Heres a blacktail in the exact spot the lyres were. Hugh is still laughing at me.

While the pic is good, it took about an hour, as the snake was about 18 inches in the crack, and the crack is not flat. Hmmmmmmmmmmm I was upside down, inside out and cussing trying to get this pic.

I have another pic of a Very green blacktail, in a crack, that had just killed and swallowed a large packrat. The rat beat the crap out of the snake. Cheers
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Joe Forks Jan 14, 2009 08:35 AM

you did a great job with that shot, I'm not sure how you kept from blowing out the rock in the foreground with the flash hahaha

How is Hugh doing?
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FR Jan 14, 2009 11:28 AM

How did you know I use dynomite, hahahahahahahahaha. I am pretty tricky.

Actually I do not use a flash, as I do not have a remote and my the top flash will not fit in the crack. Over the years I have found out which narrow beam flashlites will penetrate a crevice without blowing out the front. The problem is, it makes the crack seem shallow.

Anyway heres the other blacktail from the same area that has been beat to crap by the rat it is swallowing. Cheers
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antelope Jan 14, 2009 02:12 PM

That snake really had a tussle!
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Todd Hughes

BobS Jan 14, 2009 06:38 PM

Frank, You need one of those Colonoscopy cameras on a cable. That way you can get more into their world. Emergency services guys have them and spy/private/surveilance stores. You can find a lot of weird stuff on E-Bay! Cool pics.
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Sometimes I think the kid with two pet snakes has something that those of us with 50 to 200 lost a long time ago.

JKruse Jan 13, 2009 04:31 PM

You DO have large enclosures!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a lil humor Frank....LOL.....
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Jerry Kruse

"One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it". - Master Oogway

markg Jan 13, 2009 06:22 PM

Great pics. Nothing about that resembles a box of aspen.

I kept a big lyre years ago. This snake was about 4ft and would cram itself into the tiniest of hides. The person who gave it to me took it from an area being developed. He said lyres feed on bats, voles and lizards and wouldn't take to mice likley.

I offered the snake a thawed mouse, and he delicately took the mouse from the tongs and ate it.

What do they feed on in the wild? By that I mean, do they target a prey that is usually not targeted by other large snakes in the area?
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Mark

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