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Anyone else had a fem monitor spayed?

sdslancs Jan 20, 2009 06:19 PM

I'm just having a really hard time, hearing yet another very sad story of a female dying due to complications with breeding/eggbinding. I'm sick of hearing about the suffering they must endure!

I've only had my Albigs a year and in that time, I've seen/heard of half a dozen or more female monitors dying due to reproductive complications. Not all of them were kept by beginners either.

I'm seriously considering having my female Albig spayed and would like to hear first hand accounts from anyone else who has chosen to do this. (I know Svar has) but has anyone else?

Replies (9)

drzrider Jan 20, 2009 06:59 PM

It is hard to lose a female due to breeding issues. It is very joyful to see little heads emerge from eggs, though. Please think hard before you decide to fix your monitor. I don't know if you have ever thought of breeding Dozer. If you have then I would hate to see you give up before you get started.

Ed
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Ed

sdslancs Jan 20, 2009 07:26 PM

Ed- I've been on the fence a while now, but my problem is- I get too attached to the individual animals and can't think in terms of possibly losing one I've grown very fond of, on the off-chance she could produce eggs/hatchlings. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm in a different place and have a feeling there are others who feel the same. It's not worth the risk.

drzrider Jan 20, 2009 07:33 PM

I can respect your feelings. Hopefully people will have information here for you.
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Ed

SHvar Jan 21, 2009 10:48 AM

...Not to do but.
If the animals health at the time requires an operation for egg binding, and you dont want to risk it, then do so. I will tell you that its not easy to recognize eggbinding, and the symptoms that you notice may be different than what someone else notices (I found that to be true, more to do with perception). Also having a great herp vet that is willing to listen to the keeper, and learn from the individual experience helps. In fact I told the new vet at the time what I was almost 100% sure what was wrong, he suggested xrays, then we planned on surgery a few days later.
During that time leading up to this I was seeking advice and trying to figure out what was wrong, I found that a few very long time keepers and breeders had no clue what was wrong either, the only good advice from them was from one who suggested xrays or ultrasound.
Its your choice, but I wouldnt suggest it unless you have the money and most importantly if egg binding is a problem currently with the lizard.

sdslancs Jan 21, 2009 02:00 PM

[I was almost 100% sure what was wrong, he suggested xrays, then we planned on surgery a few days later.
During that time leading up to this I was seeking advice and trying to figure out what was wrong]

From what I've heard, most of the females act fine, until they don't and then they can die within a few hours- 48 hrs or so.
That doesn't leave much time for observing, making a vet appointment, then re-scheduling for surgery if the xrays show eggs to be the problem.

It sounds like you were very lucky!

Some females die, with no history of problems and having had successful clutches hatch, so waiting for symptoms , doesn't make me feel comfortable either.

So far, it seems you're the only keeper around, with a spayed female? Thank you for your input!

SHvar Jan 21, 2009 10:29 PM

In fact he videotaped the process in steps over months (I have a copy of that tape). He had a pregnant female (one of a few during the same time) become eggbound, this female went 6 weeks into carrying the eggs before they were removed, these eggs were just becoming toxic. Sobek had hers removed at just prior to 5 weeks by a few days, the eggs were not rotting yet.
The problem is the keeper not being able to recognize whats wrong or when something is wrong. They dont become eggbound and die in hours or even days. Ive known of eggs being layed at almost 5 weeks, but that cuts it close. The process typically takes 2-3 weeks to form and lay the eggs, but as I said Ive heard of it going a few weeks further. Usually during this time they cannot eat much, and very little because their body only holds a small amount of space for food with the eggs (African varanids lay lots of eggs), so they become dehydrated easier.
Sobek for example had over 5 lbs of eggs removed from her, about a quarter of her weight at the time (5.5ft and 21.5 lbs).
Those that have females die so quickly after "suddenly becoming eggbound" dont recognize when the female is carrying, and dont realize things are wrong or off for weeks and weeks, some will risk the female life and let them go too long just so they can try to get eggs also.
After a 3 weeks I was skeptical but patient, after 4 weeks I took her to the vet, 2 days shy of 5 weeks she had surgery. She was introduced to a few males albigs before this and afterwards, she tried to kill all of them. The only male she seemed to get along with was a huge argus that a friend had, in fact the biggest argus Ive ever seen, but still much smaller than her.
Main things to watch for with a female albig thats not over weight at the time is getting very fat but not eating(example is a 5ft plus albig that doesnt eat for weeks except maybe a small mouse once every 1.5 weeks), basking alot, like most of the time. The weight shows in the lower abdomen alot more than normal.
I know a few survivors among monitors, and many iguanas that survived egg binding with surgery. The vet and his intern (at the time) did surgery on at least 1-2 green iguanas every 2 weeks for a while when this happened to Sobek. Other than the size of her, her strength (when it came time for anestesia they closed the front office temporarily, and brought all of the vets, and assistants in to help hold her still until it took effect.
Watch for unusual behavior, unusual weight gain in conjunction with unusual appetite loss, and ask questions, dont be paranoid beforehand. At the time I was moving Sobek between 3 cages and switching substrates 3 times, it was just bad timing with everything that happened. Set them up properly now and dont worry about something that may never happen.

sdslancs Jan 22, 2009 01:05 PM

The BT breeder in FL-his name wasn't Dan, was it?
Could be the guy I bought my male from, he had some success breeding BTs.
Thanks for the info. I'm hoping I've been wrong about the sex of my 'female' and would be quite happy to find myself raising two boys.

SHvar Jan 22, 2009 10:45 PM

Nice guy also.

sdslancs Jan 23, 2009 08:32 AM

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