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Hello All,
Finally found 2 adult females. Here is a pic of one of them. Really nice brown and slate grey mix. My apologies for the photo-new camera and still trying to figure out the settings. Anybody else working with these?

Best regards,
Jeff Murray

Insular Jeff,
...Great PIC!! I would have thought that finding any available for sale would be nearly impossible. Any idea if they have ever been cative bred in the US?
Grouchy Jeff

>>Hello All,
>> Finally found 2 adult females. Here is a pic of one of them. Really nice brown and slate grey mix. My apologies for the photo-new camera and still trying to figure out the settings. Anybody else working with these?
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Jeff Murray
>>

Jeff,
Tom and a guy on the West coast are the only two that I can think of that have bred these boogers. Hopefully there will be several more folks that will breed them as well.
Jeff

>>Jeff,
>> Tom and a guy on the West coast are the only two that I can think of that have bred these boogers. Hopefully there will be several more folks that will breed them as well.
>>Jeff
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

>>>>Jeff,
>>>> Tom and a guy on the West coast are the only two that I can think of that have bred these boogers. Hopefully there will be several more folks that will breed them as well.
>>>>Jeff
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts

...but of course we all know that Wikipedia is not always as accurate as we might like, so it's hard to say for sure based on that.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

Check CITES. I beleive they and a couple other insular Epicrates are appendix I listed. Wiki is good much of the time.

>>...but of course we all know that Wikipedia is not always as accurate as we might like, so it's hard to say for sure based on that.
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>>0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
>>0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

This is pasted from the ITIS website listing for inornatus. See the last comment. Seems to just be an opinion though. On the other hand. I looked for them on PR and several nearby Islands and did not find any.

Taxonomy and Nomenclature
Kingdom: Animalia
Taxonomic Rank: Species
Synonym(s):
Common Name(s): Puerto Rican Boa [English]

Taxonomic Status:
Current Standing: valid

Data Quality Indicators:
Record Credibility Rating: verified - standards met

Taxonomic Hierarchy
Kingdom Animalia -- Animal, animals, animaux
Phylum Chordata -- chordates, cordado, cordés
Subphylum Vertebrata -- vertebrado, vertebrates, vertébrés
Class Reptilia Laurenti, 1768 -- répteis, reptiles, Reptiles
Order Squamata Oppel, 1811 -- Amphisbaenians, amphisbènes, lézards, Lizards, serpents, Snakes
Suborder Serpentes Linnaeus, 1758 -- cobra, serpente, serpents, Snakes
Infraorder Alethinophidia Nopcsa, 1923
Family Boidae Gray, 1825 -- Boas, Boids
Subfamily Boinae Gray, 1825
Genus Epicrates Wagler, 1830 -- Greater Antillean Boas, Rainbow Boas, West Indian Boas
Species Epicrates inornatus (Reinhardt, 1843) -- Puerto Rican Boa

References
Expert(s):
Expert: Roy W. McDiarmid
Notes: U.S. Geological Survey, Biological Resources Division, Patuxent Wildlife Research Center
Reference for: Epicrates inornatus

Other Source(s):
Source: NODC Taxonomic Code, database (version 8.0)
Acquired: 1996
Notes:
Reference for: Epicrates inornatus

Publication(s):
Author(s)/Editor(s): Banks, R. C., R. W. McDiarmid, A. L. Gardner, and W. C. Starnes
Publication Date: 2004
Article/Chapter Title:
Journal/Book Name, Vol. No.: Checklist of Vertebrates of the United States, the U.S. Territories, and Canada, draft (2004)
Page(s):
Publisher:
Publication Place:
ISBN/ISSN:
Notes: As-yet (2004) unpublished manuscript from 1998
Reference for: Epicrates inornatus

Author(s)/Editor(s): Banks, R. C., R. W. McDiarmid, and A. L. Gardner
Publication Date: 1987
Article/Chapter Title: Checklist of Vertebrates of the United States, the U.S. Territories, and Canada
Journal/Book Name, Vol. No.: Resource Publication, no. 166
Page(s): 79
Publisher: United States Department of the Interior Fish and Wildlife Service
Publication Place: Washington, D.C., USA
ISBN/ISSN:
Notes:
Reference for: Epicrates inornatus

Author(s)/Editor(s): McDiarmid, Roy W., Jonathan A. Campbell, and T'Shaka A. Touré
Publication Date: 1999
Article/Chapter Title:
Journal/Book Name, Vol. No.: Snake Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference, vol. 1
Page(s): xi 511
Publisher: The Herpetologists' League
Publication Place: Washington, D.C., USA
ISBN/ISSN: 1-893777-01-4, 1-893777-00-6
Notes:
Reference for: Epicrates inornatus

Geographic Information
Geographic Division: Caribbean

Jurisdiction/Origin: Caribbean Territories, Native

Comments
Comment: Banks et al. (2004) note: Endangered throughout range
ITIS listing for inornatus

Fair enough; like I said, wikipedia's credibility, especially on things known to few people and/or not easily verified, is less than perfect - I just went there because it's quick, easy, and *usually* right. In this case, it appears to be in conflict with another source, at least, which is not surprising, given the tiny amount of info in the wikipedia article in question. I find that the shorter the article, the more likely it is in error, at least with regard to wiki.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

I think we both use and like Wiki but do recognize it's limitations.

>>Fair enough; like I said, wikipedia's credibility, especially on things known to few people and/or not easily verified, is less than perfect - I just went there because it's quick, easy, and *usually* right. In this case, it appears to be in conflict with another source, at least, which is not surprising, given the tiny amount of info in the wikipedia article in question. I find that the shorter the article, the more likely it is in error, at least with regard to wiki.
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>>0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
>>0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

That is one beautiful snake. Do you have a male to go with her or are you still looking?
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Julie
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Jeff

Looks great, Jeff, have you checked the sex on them both?

I'll email you over the weekend - I have a copy of the 1975 Buden description of E.c.schwartzi to send once I scan it.

Rgds, Ryan

Ryan,
I don't see him laying in the corner smoking a cigarette-what's up? If you get a chance, call this weekend.
Jeff

Ryan,
....Was the type specimen of schwartzi collected on Acklin. I once flew low level over Crooked and Acklins Islands and they both looked like excellent places to hunt. You know we need identification help with your PIC. What are they?
Jeff

>>Looks great, Jeff, have you checked the sex on them both?
>>
>>I'll email you over the weekend - I have a copy of the 1975 Buden description of E.c.schwartzi to send once I scan it.
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>>Rgds, Ryan
>>

Those are Bahama Boas [Epicrates s. strigulatus]...TC

Jeff - yes, the holotype was collected on Delectable Bay, Acklins. According to the '75 description, schwartzi are uncommon on Acklins/Crooked, although not much is known as far as I can tell.

The pair in the pic are Nassau boas, E.s.strigilatus
Rgds, Ryan

Ryan,
....Was the type specimen of schwartzi collected on Acklin. I once flew low level over Crooked and Acklins Islands and they both looked like excellent places to hunt. You know we need identification help with your PIC. What are they?
Jeff

>>Looks great, Jeff, have you checked the sex on them both?
>>
>>I'll email you over the weekend - I have a copy of the 1975 Buden description of E.c.schwartzi to send once I scan it.
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>>Rgds, Ryan

Hey Jeff, congrats on the find, never did see a reply, assume you have one or more males to go with the girls??
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Jeff,

The picture is not that bad, neat looking snake. Again, congratulations on the nice pick-up.

Thanks,
Ed

>>Hello All,
>> Finally found 2 adult females. Here is a pic of one of them. Really nice brown and slate grey mix. My apologies for the photo-new camera and still trying to figure out the settings. Anybody else working with these?
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Jeff Murray
>>

Epicrates inornatus is an endangered species but is not really rare. Puerto Rican Boas are quite common in areas with limestone karst and caves. I have bred them a number of times and the neonates are bright orange in color and go thru an octogenetic color. The name inornatus is apropo as they range in color from the one in the pic to almost solid black but highly irredescent blue. Regardless they are one of my favorites.....TC

>> almost solid black but highly irredescent blue.

That sounds really cool - you wouldn't happen to have any pics, would you?
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

HERE'S A PIC OF A YOUNG SNAKE...TC

Hello.

Beutiful specimens.

Regards

Peter.

Thanks Pete....TC
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