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Those are some beauties. I'm jealous. Question what are their morphs?

Thank you.

The morphs, in order are:
1. Tremper Red Stripe
2. Rainwater Red Stripe
3. Striped Tremper Sunglow
4. Enigma het RW

I'm not seeing any striping on any of them except the last.....what you are seeing is a natural dorsal "stripe" that all leos possess when there is no melanin to distort it.
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2.4.0 Leopard Geckos
0.1.0 California Kingsnake
0.1.0 Copperhead
1.1.0 Eastern Box Tutles

The first three are from Red Stripe lines. If you know what a red stripe is it's pretty obvious on the first two. The third one was born like the other two, with a striped pattern, but was completely overtaken by bright orange. You can still see the striped patterns on the tails.

The fourth picture is an enigma, and not from striped lines at all. The red stripes and blotches you see on her is how a lot of enigmas express tangerine influence. This one is from Albey.

Here's a few pics of the first two as younger geckos, if there's any question of them being stripes...

I'm not questioning their genotype or what their past phenotype was. I'm just stating my opinion that if I'm going to advertise my geckos as a "Red Stripe" they will certainly possess the trait without question.

Some people would sell this gecko as a "carrot-tail", while I say it isn't even close.

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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major

Apparently you don't know what a red stripe is. It's a completely different morph than regular or bold stripes. It's based of the red/tang color that runs down both sides of the light dorsal stripe. Both animals clearly display this trait. If you can't see it, adjust your monitor. Or keep denying, it really doesn't matter to me.

LOL, I'm not denying it. I'm just saying that if I'm putting the label "Red Stripe" on one of my geckos, it will clearly possess distinct stripes........not just faint traces of the trait.
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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major

I just thought you might like to do a bit of research on leopard gecko morphs. I'm sure you'll find these pages very informative.

http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Raining_Red_Stripe

http://www.jmgreptile.com/redstripetremperalbino.html

Although that is hardly a reliable source, you just proved my point for me.

"I consider the genetics to be both recessive and linebred." - Jeremy Letkey

As with any line-bred trait, there are varying degrees to the extent the animal displays said trait in its phenotype. So, although it may show acute visuals of the morph, it's up to the seller's/owner's discretion as to where to draw the line and call one animal "said morph" and a strikingly similar animal "not-said morph".

I was simply saying that when I produce and sell my geckos as "Raining Reds" they will display the trait to a considerable degree that I consider worthy of the title "Raining Red Sripe".....and I simply stated my opinion that I do not denote those particular geckos as worthy of the title.
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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major

The leopardgeckowiki isn't a reliable source? Most of it's information come from the most experienced leopard gecko breeders out there.

If you can't see the red stripe in these geckos, you need to get your eyes checked. I doubt you could ever find a better example of a Raining red stripe than the one I posted.

Seeing as how anyone who has access to the source can manipulate the text, then yes, I would not call it reliable....and it is far from detailed.

Again, you are not fully understanding the situation. I am not in any way saying they are not red stripes....quite opposite in fact. I am saying IMHO they are very poor examples of the morphs and I wouldn't even have the notion of selling them as such cross my mind.

I like to offer quality animals true to their description with my business, I'm not out to sell a bunch of stock using "buzz words" and pseudomorphs.

BTW: GeckosETC is one of the generic websites that comes up when you search for leopard geckos and they offer individuals showing the full potential of "Raining Stripe" in their mature gecko's phenotype.

Here's some pics:





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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major

You obviously don't realize none of the animals you've posted are Raining Red Stripes. The "Raining" part of the name refers to them being Rainwater albino. Like with almost every other morph, the fact that these are amel animals changes the way they display color.

Even so, the second gecko I posted has a bolder and more prominant red stripe than any of those.

I posted those pics to prove a point....if the "stripes" are that visable with melanin, then they should be even more evident in amelanistic individuals.

Amelanisism affects melanin, and has little to do with xanthophores, chromatophores, Pterinophores, or sepiaphores...... Each of these pigment has a different chemical pathway, but all of them start with GTP-CH1 catalysing GTP into the further steps leading to one or more different pterins (such as sepiapterin or xanthopterin). The chemical pathway of these pterin pigments implicate different enzymes. A mutation inhibiting GTP-CH1 should normally inhibit the production of ALL pterin pigments.

"Raining" is simply a term used to designate which strain of amelanism is in effect....otherwise different strains don't really differ when they are evident.

Here's some pics of geckos worth of the title "Raining Reds"

and a few Trempers for comparison

now compare all of those with yours

and it's obvious that this individual is not up to par with the the previous examples(IMHO)
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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major