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And there are problems, the babies cant get out of their sacs. I misted real well so maybe that will help, one is already dead. there are five alive so far. She had five "blanks" as well. I wonder what made her wait so long after morning?? I have been pulling the sacs off for them but they are weaker than the others were. Any sugestions would be appreciated. Also should I pull the "cord" off, or leave it?
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2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny

One of my friends had a big Bertha a few years back. she was a huge, fat, gravid WC jacksonii. She was much bigger and fatter than his other females, hense the name. she held the "babies" for a VERY long time, and never gave birth. she died,and inside were dozens of blanks and unformed babies. Some have attributed this to the stress of capture experienced by Gravid chameleons that are imported with eggs in them.

I wonder if clutch size is related to food intake as it is in veilds. Too little food/nutrients, bad eggs/weak babies. Too much, too many eggs, weak female, many small, weak babies. Get it just right, and you get a good number of larger, healthier babies.

that is very interesting eric. She is "late" compared to the others. Actually she fits all those criteria. I guess I should be glad she is alive, lol. Perhaps we need an African chameleon prey insect availability, seasonal, count. Your theory sounds very plausable to me, and a Hawaiian insect census woulddn't be as good as an african one. thanks eric, as always

>>One of my friends had a big Bertha a few years back. she was a huge, fat, gravid WC jacksonii. She was much bigger and fatter than his other females, hense the name. she held the "babies" for a VERY long time, and never gave birth. she died,and inside were dozens of blanks and unformed babies. Some have attributed this to the stress of capture experienced by Gravid chameleons that are imported with eggs in them.
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>>I wonder if clutch size is related to food intake as it is in veilds. Too little food/nutrients, bad eggs/weak babies. Too much, too many eggs, weak female, many small, weak babies. Get it just right, and you get a good number of larger, healthier babies.
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http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny

Alan,

Sorry to hear that Bertha is having problems with her clutch.

You have actually had more jacksonii babies than we have, but with any of our species (veiled, panthers, flapnecks, stumptails, etc.), we have never pulled the cord off. They actually absorb some of it, and it usually shrivels up within hours.

Blanks - or slugs, are not unusual from what I understand.
Time..? Well, our most recent birthing female had hers at about 6pm in the evening. We had to help one get out of the sac... and prodded him gently so that he would get up. He is fine now..
I have no quams about helping them - and I prefer supervising the births. One female was having a hard time getting a blank out - and I helped - after that, she had the rest with no problems.

Hope this helps... best of luck with Bertha.
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thank you Morgana. I did not know they absorb some of the cord. By the way she hasnt had anything in over an hour, and she MUST have more in there, she is so destended, and I think I saw movement in her ab, Is this possible or was it just me. How long with no new babies or blanks should I wait before I worry? lol.

>>Alan,
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>>Sorry to hear that Bertha is having problems with her clutch.
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>>You have actually had more jacksonii babies than we have, but with any of our species (veiled, panthers, flapnecks, stumptails, etc.), we have never pulled the cord off. They actually absorb some of it, and it usually shrivels up within hours.
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>>Blanks - or slugs, are not unusual from what I understand.
>>Time..? Well, our most recent birthing female had hers at about 6pm in the evening. We had to help one get out of the sac... and prodded him gently so that he would get up. He is fine now..
>>I have no quams about helping them - and I prefer supervising the births. One female was having a hard time getting a blank out - and I helped - after that, she had the rest with no problems.
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>>Hope this helps... best of luck with Bertha.
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http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny

another doa, and four more blanks. She is moving back to her usual spot, maybe she is done.I counted and there are eight blanks. And I thought she was going to have at least 20, lol, never count your lizards before they hatch.

>>thank you Morgana. I did not know they absorb some of the cord. By the way she hasnt had anything in over an hour, and she MUST have more in there, she is so destended, and I think I saw movement in her ab, Is this possible or was it just me. How long with no new babies or blanks should I wait before I worry? lol.
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>>>>Alan,
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>>>>Sorry to hear that Bertha is having problems with her clutch.
>>>>
>>>>You have actually had more jacksonii babies than we have, but with any of our species (veiled, panthers, flapnecks, stumptails, etc.), we have never pulled the cord off. They actually absorb some of it, and it usually shrivels up within hours.
>>>>
>>>>Blanks - or slugs, are not unusual from what I understand.
>>>>Time..? Well, our most recent birthing female had hers at about 6pm in the evening. We had to help one get out of the sac... and prodded him gently so that he would get up. He is fine now..
>>>>I have no quams about helping them - and I prefer supervising the births. One female was having a hard time getting a blank out - and I helped - after that, she had the rest with no problems.
>>>>
>>>>Hope this helps... best of luck with Bertha.
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>>http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
>>2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
>> 35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
>>0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
>>2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
>> 1 neonate texas blue spiny
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http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny

Alan,

I could visibly see the contractions when our females are giving birth. The abdomen expands and contracts..

Give her some time yet...
Do you have a vet handy?
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>>And there are problems, the babies cant get out of their sacs. I misted real well so maybe that will help, one is already dead. there are five alive so far. She had five "blanks" as well. I wonder what made her wait so long after morning?? I have been pulling the sacs off for them but they are weaker than the others were. Any sugestions would be appreciated. Also should I pull the "cord" off, or leave it?
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>>http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
>>2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
>> 35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
>>0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
>>2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
>> 1 neonate texas blue spiny
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http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny

i don't know if someone already said this or if they already got out but i read of you pick them up just a little bit and drop them they will break out because that is supposed to be stimulating falling from a tree or something

Yes, that works, I did it with four of them. gently massaging with fingertip seems to help also. By the way she just had another, that makes nine

>>i don't know if someone already said this or if they already got out but i read of you pick them up just a little bit and drop them they will break out because that is supposed to be stimulating falling from a tree or something
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http://briefcase.yahoo.com/alanvines2002
2.5 Jacksonii Xantholophus (two red phase fem}
35 Jacksonii Xantholophus neonates
0.0.2 Phelsuma M. Grandis
2.3 Anolis C. with 3 neonates
1 neonate texas blue spiny