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I am in a legal battle with my local city. I have been breeding for a while. I have 56 totes of 3.1 when i can help it. Not a rookie. BUT the city wants me to register this as a true business. They have called all animal control it the state i swear. All are ok. BUT they are trying to find info on how to breed them from an outsider point of view. does anyone know where to look for the rodent breeder guide for dummies?

>>I am in a legal battle with my local city. I have been breeding for a while. I have 56 totes of 3.1 when i can help it. Not a rookie. BUT the city wants me to register this as a true business. They have called all animal control it the state i swear. All are ok. BUT they are trying to find info on how to breed them from an outsider point of view. does anyone know where to look for the rodent breeder guide for dummies?

In the reptile comunity nothing is defined. Sure there are bounders set by the animals themselves but nothing set in stone.

Dave Collins of Rainbows R Us posted a how to on the breeding subject and while small it was consis and gave a valid view point on one breders style. That's probably about the closest you'll get to how to.

Like all animal breeding so long as they have their needs met they are good to go. Many cities and states have regulated certain aspects of animal breeders but most regualtions are narowed to dog breeders. I've personally seen animals per given sq footage of cage limits set on puppy breeders. I've also seen the same applied to the property. IE only so many animals per acre..etc.

Thanks to the freedom of information act any actual breeders info should be available, in regards to the allowances by the local government. You may not be able to get Rodent Pro to tell you how they breeder their animals but their license or permit if any is a matter of public record.

Good Luck
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

"I have 56 totes of 3.1..."
Why would you breed with 3.1 in a bin?
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www.strictlyballs.ca

yea gee sorry 3 females to 1 male. since the females are more important I say them first. sheesh anyways, yea they keep trying to tell me it's like a kennel. and it's not. they try and tell me I should be zoned for agriculture, why? there not roaming on the property. Hell you can't see or smell anything about them from the outside usually. There is a thing with agriculture that each animal takes X number of points and yes you can only have X number per acre. But ironically there is no rat stuff. Bunny's yes. rats no. I am set to go in front of the city the end of the month. Maybe i will look up the rainbows artical. I remember it from a long time ago.

Technically speaking, you are a farmer, producing livestock. Even though rats are not listed as standard livestock, they are still live animals you are producing in quantities. Have no idea how your local zoning laws are, keep us posted on how it all turns out.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Every state is different but in Colorado we have to have a PACA license. I do not know why since they are food not pets but the license has saved me lots of trouble with neighbors. In it, it is spelled out the size of cage and everything for rats and mice. http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Agriculture-Main/CDAG/1167928197091 then go the the pet animal care. Page 15 has the size of the cages.
Lynn

Are you selling rodents or just breeding them for your own use? If you are selling then you may need a business license, especially if you total income on sales exceeds a certain amount. If you are just breeding them for your own use, selling maybe a little on the side or just excess..enough to cover your costs, then you don't need a business license.

A business license isn't very much...though the cost would vary per state I suspect. Its about $100 Canadian here and its a one time cost...and if you make a certain amount, then you have to charge/pay sales tax. (ie you charge customers the sale tax and that money is then sent to the government every month or every other month).
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PHLdyPayne

yea alot of what I am going through is whether this is a biz that they want to be conditioned into a home occupation.

In my state the maximum number of animals allowed per household is ten. If you have more than ten animals of any combination of types, then you are guilty of animal hoarding.

Animal Hoarding is a FELONY offense! This crime carries mandatory high fines, and jail time, and long community service hours, and never being allowed to ever have any contact whatsoever with any animals of any type ever again, for the rest of your life. There after, you can not so much as pet someonelse's dog without being in violation of probation! Which results in more jail time.

whats your point? I am trying to do this as a business not a hoarder. I think hoarders that don't have the time or means to take care of there animals should have them taken away. But if you can keep all your animals in good health and living conditions, who's to say ten is too many?

I got in trouble last year, for having too many rats (all caged). I was threatened with being charged with animal hoarding. Though, thankfully, that never actually happened. The upshot was that the majority of my rats were executed. Now I don't have anything to feed my snake. I was, also, told that I could NOT have ANY frozen rodents. My rat problems started with just a single pair of rats, that quickly multiplied.

Recently, a man outside of town had the majority of his dogs confiscated.