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I saw this beauty, and couldn't help but bring him home. I'm still a relative novice when it comes to corns -- boas and python species have always made up the bulk of my collection. I've only had a few corns, mostly amels and wild-types before. I'm wondering: is this considered an Amel or a Sunglow morph?

Given the intensity of the colors, and the lack of white on any of the scales anywhere except on the underside, I'm thinking Sunglow...

looks like an amel motley. could be sunglow but its hard to tell. motley removes alot of black so in the amel form of motley you dont get much if any white except on the belly which should be solid white with no checkering.
adam jeffery

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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Now keep in mind there is nothing genetic about sunglows. They are a basic Amel, genetically speaking. They have been line-bred to remove the white and have the intense reds/orange colors
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"The more things change, the more they remain Insane"

That is about as much as I do know about corns carried from my boa collection: a bit of color genetics ^_^

This little corn's origins are unclear, so I don't know whether he was selectively bred to be vividly colored or not. The people who I got him from know slightly less about corns than I do. They just called him a red albino, and didn't even know he was a motley.

I'm just wondering, from the picture, which is a more apt description of the little guy.

I left out mentioning the motley part, because I figured that was a given. So, yes, Motley and amel are the only genetic traits to a sunglow motley. Line bred is how the white is removed, no genetics there.
Now, i am not saying the snake is not Het for something. I think the majority or amels, normals and anerys are het for at least one other thing, now days.

A very nice snake, BTW
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"The more things change, the more they remain Insane"

Technically, of course, genes are responsible for a lack of white coloration/ saddle borders, but when we say sunglows are not genetic, it means there is no simple recessive gene that makes it happen. There is a complex slew of genes that produces this affect.
Yes, it's young will be more predisposed to a lack of white, but within the normal range of variation, some may have a little white, even if bred to another sunglow.

Does this make sense?
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Jack Jeansonne

...and a good one, at that.

Everyone's right; the difference between a regular amel motley and a sun motley is not only lack of white (since 99% of ALL amel motlies lack obvious white), but the deeply-saturated colors, like your's. I originally named Sunglow Motlies back in the mid-90s when we discovered these clean, saturated colors with almost no stippling of white (or other colors) in the ground and marking color zones. Therefore, the visual difference between sun motlies and amel motlies is subjective, but usually distinct. What makes your snake amel and motley are genetic mutations, but what distinguishes between sun motley and amel motley are the results of polygenetics (as stated elsewhere in this thread). In this case, quantative interactions between genes (not mutations).

I'm no prognosticator, and do not seek attention in that realm, but your's has visual markers for being het caramel. I recommend you breed it to snake with genes for butter motley.
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