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hr669 ban to stop sell or importing

dallan Feb 04, 2009 12:08 PM

Please read this carefully if this ban goes through it means you can not sell, buy or import any non-native species of snake.

NO on HR669 / Grassroots Organizing 101

OK everyone just take a deep breath.... we need to look at this problem objectively. This is not the time to panic, it is not the time to get emotional, but it is time for thoughtful, deliberate action!

If you have been listening to USARK for very long, you knew that this was coming. Many were of the opinion that HR6311 was dead. USARK warned that although it was dead for 2008 it would be reintroduced in 2009. Now we have the newest version, HR669. Now the question becomes: What is the Herp Community going to do about it?

Let's look at the history of HR669:

It began in 2007 with a petition from the South Florida Water Management District (SFWMD) to USFWS to add Boa, Python and Eunectes to the 'Injurious Wildlife List' of the Lacey Act. That was followed by a Notice of Inquiry published in the Federal Register calling for public comment in early 2008. This constituted the first step in a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act. This process is under way and can take up to 4 years to effect an actual Rule Change. It is not over. This is still being processed by USFWS.
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and the Defenders of Wildlife, unhappy with the pace of progress with a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act, convince a group of US House members to introduce a bill based on a report written by Defenders of Wildlife called Broken Screens. In July of 2008 HR6311 is introduced into the US House of Representatives. Marshall Myers of PIJAC is present and makes an eloquent point by point rebuttal of the Bill. Because of so many other pressing issues HR6311 dies in the Natural Resources Committee it was assigned to.
USARK warns that even though HR6311 is dead for the legislative session it will be revived in 2009. USARK initiates a petition against HR6311 October 2008.
January 2009 HR6311 is reintroduced as HR669. A group of 10 House members co-sponsor HR669 and it is assigned to the House Natural Resources Committee.
Facts about HR669:

If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes. The following is an excerpt from the Bill.
SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.

(a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to--

(1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;

(2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;

(3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7;

(4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1);

(5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or

(6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes.

There are 10 sponsors for this Bill. That means this is serious. They want to pass this Bill. Some of sponsors have strong relationships to the HSUS.
HR669 has very little basis in scientific fact. There is no evidence to suggest that banning any of these animals will have any positive effects on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
What is certain is that passing HR669 would add to our country's economic decline and devastate American families and small businesses.
Your voice can make the difference in the defeat of HR669!
What can I do IMMEDIATELY to keep HR669 from passing?

Click sponsors name from list below and that will take you to their email portal.
Fill in subject field with 'OPPOSE HR669'
Cut and paste sample letter into body of email adding your own comments (or write your own letter).
Be brief, be polite, be articulate and DO NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL! This is extremely important!! If you can't do this don't bother to make contact.
Let them know how HR669 would effect you and your family.
Fill in your personal information.
Click SUBMIT button.
Send a separate email to hr669@yahoo.com with HR669in your in subject line so we can track the number of people participating.
Sponsors List:

Del. Bordallo
Rep. Napolitano
Rep. Kind
Rep. Grijalva
Rep. Kildee ** NO EMAIL
Rep. Klein
Rep. Hastings
Rep. Abercrombie
Rep. McGovern ** NO EMAIL
Rep. Miller
Sample Letter: Cut & paste letter.

Subject: Oppose HR669number

(Del or Rep Name),

I oppose HR669. This Bill is not based in science, but in the ideology of powerful special interest groups. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that banning the import, sale and trade of any of these animals will have any positive effect on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.

In fact, if passed it would destroy many families and businesses. It would have a decidedly negative impact on an already ailing economy by destroying a vital and growing industry at a time when our country is in need of jobs and growth. The USFWS has just made changes to the CITES export permit process which would allow quality captive bred animals to be more easily exported to international customers. Passing HR669 would negate all the work USFWS has done for over a year. This Bill is a disaster to American small business and families in a time of economic hardship.

(tell in your own words- what you do and how passing this bill would hurt you and your family)

Please do not pass HR669.

Thank you,

(Your Name)

This is just the first step in a proven formula of grassroots politics used by groups such as the NRA and HSUS. Be ready to take the next step soon.
Educate yourself to the process.
If you haven't already signed, please sign our Petition Against HR669.
If you are not a paid member of USARK please join today! Fighting legislation like this takes members and money. We need your help to safeguard our Reptile Nation.
Don't forget to email hr669@yahoo.com when you're done so we know how many stood up and did their part.
***Please do this now and pass it on to everyone on your email list!!

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Replies (18)

gixxerrobballs Feb 04, 2009 01:33 PM

man this really sucks big time

Bolitochrome Feb 04, 2009 02:30 PM

I had originally thought this bill would be bad, but if we could continue to have our pets and breed our own stock, then we could just surround ourselves with snakes and be happy.
But the bill makes it illegal to breed our own stock too? Across the entire United States? Apparently I don't fully understand what they are trying to accomplish...

toshamc Feb 04, 2009 02:35 PM

If you read through all the mumbo jumbo - They haven't quite figured out if they want to grandfather in all the animals that that are currently owned or if they'll be requiring you to turn over your animals to be euthanized.

If they grandfather in there will have to be a whole system developed to account for all of the current animals and to make sure that people aren't breeding/selling them -- so you can pretty much figure they will opt for the easy way.
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Bolitochrome Feb 04, 2009 02:54 PM

And I wonder where they plan on getting the funding to enforce such a law? Ophidiophobia is so rampant in this country, how are they going to find enough law enforcement to collect these delinquent snakes?

dallan Feb 04, 2009 03:44 PM

Some thing that everyone needs to understand, don't under estamate the power of PETA. They have more money and more lobbiest and in there pocket than everyone thinks. Even if they don't have the money to "police" it yet, it will only be a matter of time and this is only the beginning.
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Hissenia Feb 04, 2009 03:47 PM

I didnt see any links.
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dallan Feb 04, 2009 04:04 PM

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/usarkHR6311/index.html
please every body send a letter to your local senate/congress person and everybody on your contacts.
Link

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cthuleo Feb 05, 2009 05:29 PM

Could someone please send this link to the other Python/Boa forums so that everyone can sign?!? Not sure how to myself or I would do it. Thanks!

cassity Feb 04, 2009 04:07 PM

www.ipetitions.com/petition/usarkHR6311/index.html

Tosha had this further down the page, there are a few more discussions on this page, all of them have good info.

Start forwarding all this stuff along, the more people speak up the better chance we have!

Allison

treeboa Feb 04, 2009 04:06 PM

Kildee is my representative. He will be hearing from me. With the economy and the fate of the auto industry being tied in so tightly to the economic well being of his district, you'd think he would have better things to do.
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Bolitochrome Feb 04, 2009 04:12 PM

I've started informing other herp forums about this.

Also, there are other "exotics" on the Broken Screens list that are species of interest. Are they trying to ban ALL of the Broken Screens species?

PiedPeddler Feb 04, 2009 04:23 PM

“If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes.”

Did I miss something?
I have read through HR669 and found no reference to any boa, python, or eunectes whatsoever… or any species, for that matter. The bill does include all species listed as injurious by the US Fish and Wildlife Service. It is my understanding that we are fighting to keep boa, python, and eunectes species off of this list and we must remain diligent to that effort.

Please understand, I totally oppose this bill. It requires every species to be added to a list of “approved” animals before you can import or transport it across state lines and will make it virtually impossible for collectors to obtain more obscure species of all wildlife. It could even wipe out our entire industry if the popular reptiles of the pet trade don’t make it on the “approved” list. There will also be a list of “unapproved” species.

To understand the government’s motivation for this, please refer to Sec. 8. Fees. There will be a fee for any person who proposes any species for consideration for either list (They’ll be collecting from the PITA people, too). There will also be provisions for licenses and penalties for additional cash flow. Of course, if for your species of interest, “The Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information”, don’t expect your submission fees to be refunded! The species simply won’t be added to either list and you won’t be able to import or transport across state lines!

I fear we will not appear as an educated, unified group if we contact our legislative representatives voicing our desires to keep boa, python, and eunectes species off the list, when the purpose of the bill seems more to establish the framework from which lists will be generated. By all means, we should oppose this bill, but we should voice our opposition to what this bill is… Not to what it is not.

Paul

PiedPeddler Feb 04, 2009 04:32 PM

I'm sorry if I offended any PITA's out there!

dallan Feb 04, 2009 04:44 PM

From what i got out of this this the same bill they were tring to pass before (HR6311) only now they added breeding of any non-native species

If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes. The following is an excerpt from the Bill.
SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.

(a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to--

(1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;

(2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;

(3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7;

(4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1);

(5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or

(6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes.

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PiedPeddler Feb 04, 2009 05:29 PM

Yes, there are references throughout the bill to the lists. This bill does not contain the lists. It dictates the Secretary of the Interior, through the USF&W must generate and publish the lists, which would be done after (if) the bill is passed. This bill does not list any species, genus, family... But it's a bad law. Oppose it!
Paul

jsschrei Feb 05, 2009 02:09 AM

will help too. Remembering to be polite and articulate is important.
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cthuleo Feb 05, 2009 10:36 AM

This should really be posted on ALL the python & boa forums!

Spawn666 Feb 05, 2009 04:20 PM

Just finished emailing my congressmen. Massachusetts. Waiting for a responce. If I get one I will post to let you know wat it says.

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