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Hello all,

I am opening this thread that is mainly intended to attract breeder comments. My point is to collect all known strange behaviours that are observed as a result of the genetics on ball pythons.

As an example I pose that I have read, and observed, that spiders (possibly bumblebees too) have a common behaviour of tilting their heads.

I would like to see all of you putting down similar strange facts you might have observed.

Regards
John

A few that pop into head are the common of occurance of the duckbill in super cinnamons(black pastels), kinking in caramel balls, and a more serious effect is the possible lethal combination of spider to spider (not proven that I know of but hugely speculated) and woma to woma. Todd

Since I have no knowledge whatsoever I would like you to take the time, if you can, to explain in detail the simptomw of each of the ones you refered to.

This intended to be a collective of all known such "abnormalities" that someone freshman could understand.

regards
John

5 foot plus females that have 12 eggs and grew really fastly have alot of girl offspring that grow 5 foot plus and also tend to have 12 eggs or so and eat well and grow well.....colors similar in any breedings....

almost all patterns can and usually are genetic (to an extent ) (as in wierd patterned normals even)...even a single odd saddle shape (as seen in milksnake forum actually the other day )...

females (huge even) with "female troubles" can have "female troubles" the next year (and die)....and their daughters CAN have "female troubles" also.....also their female offspring CAN have NO troubles and do well......for years....been there done that for both ways..

balls can have "bugged" eyes......

in the super cinnamon , the "duckbill" and Roman "noses were just one time?????......anyone seen more/others?....ask Gulf Coast if it happened again?....(that was 2002)

good eaters have good eating kids, bad eaters can have bad eating kids.....fast growth, slow growth....all can be genetic...
......even fearless,scared,traveling tendencies and balls that are content to set in a cage and never dream of going out of the cage....

everything can be genetic.......

kinks are usually caused by the "stuff happens" theory........don't know why caramels have them....odd....I get them in all kinds of lines...then the next year...all perfect.....

curled tails can come out of the majority of the clutch...and the next year all perfect....my theory....bad nutrition......also can cause low fecund females and even total lack of breeding or follicle development at all in any given year....(all proven by more than me long ago...

.........think of more?.......

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...JY

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I found this :

Posted by: toshamc at Thu Jan 29 12:30:15 2009

Yeah ...

Spiders wobble
Caramels kink
Pearls have failure to thrive issues
Super cinny/black pastels have facial deformities and kinks

Seems like I'm missing something.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

From member Brian Wilson I received the following email :

any ball python morph that contains the spider gene has the wobble/spin phenomenon and some report that normal siblings from spider breedings do it as well outside of the spiders/combos i have not noticed any other strange behaviors with other morphs but then again i dont have all of them!! YET LOL...........................................

Thank you Brian !