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Hi guys,
Heres two of my female 08S that I have acquired. The snake in picture one was fathered by an Albino het hypo and mothered by a Hypo het albino.

The snake in picture 2 had the same sire but was mothered by a Tangerine het albino.

Picture 3 is a side by side comparison.

As you can see the hybino has deeper red bands and no tipping (shame its not a tangerine)How else do you guys tell the difference?

Please post your own comparison pics, would love to see them.

Pic 1 Hybino

Pic 2 Albino

Pic 3 Together

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Lampropeltis triangulum lover!!

Hi Dan,

If the father was an Albino Het Hypo then how do you know that it is a Hybino? Have you bred that one? The only way to know for sure that you have Hybinos is if both parents are Hypos Het Albino or Hybinos.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Hi,
I contacted the breeder this morning and I had mis read what he stated. The female hybino I have was from totally different parents. Male tang double het hybino and female hypo het albino. Would that make it a hybino. Thanks Joe, allways good help. Have you any pics of hybinos yourself? Would be great to compare. Thanks, Danny
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Lampropeltis triangulum lover!!

Hmm, if the Punnett square in my head is right that makes it an albino with a 50/50 chance of being either a hybino or het hypo.

Vinny
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Hmm, could it be wise ol' Charlie? And oh, I'll be celebrating alright
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

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Dan, Like Joe said the ONLY way you know for sure at hatch time you have a "hybino" is if BOTH parents are showing the hypo gene (either hypo or ghost) and the snake hatched amel.
The fact that your "hybino" came from a double het makes it even less probable of being a visual hybino.
You will have to raise it up and test breed it to a couple hypos and if after you have produced about 20 hypos with no normals in the clutch then you can pretty much call it a hybino.
Good luck and great looking snakes btw.

L8r Shannon

this is a 100% "hybino" in this pic.I know because I produced her last year from hypo parents.I think its cool that she is tri-colored also.

here is the tri-colored female with a sibling male tangerine.The only 2 hybinos I produced this year.Well, I probably produced several but these are the only known hybinos.

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Hi,
Thanks everyone for confirming its not a hybino. Prefer to know now than in 2 years time when it comes to proving. Glad I got the trio cheap anyway. Shannon, they are truly stunning. One question. A snow is an Albino Anery. Can you get Albino, Anery and hypo? Or would it again be near impossible to tell.
Thanks again. Good luck with breeding in 09.
Dan
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Lampropeltis triangulum lover!!

Yes, you can produce a hypo snow ( pearl) and there has been one produced so far that is 100% visual pearl.
Much like the "hybino" to produce a visual pearl the parnets must be hypo.If they are hypo and you produce a snow then it has to be a hypo snow ( pearl).
Your odds increase big time if you have a couple ghosts that are het for albino.This will be my first year to produce a visual pearl.
Don Shores is the only person that I know that has done so as of now to my knowledge.He lucked out big time and bred a pair of extreme hypos that where het anery and they where possible het albino.They both proved out hets and he produced the first visual pearl and itr is a extreme to boot.What luck huh.

I had produced three snows from triple het breedings a few years ago and so far 2 of them have proved out to be het for hypo and the third will be proven out this year.Maybe she will prove to be a pearl.

L8r

Just for the record Don was the first to produce such an animal, as Shannon stated, but he calls it an Opal.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Didn't Terry Maheuron also produced the "pearl snow extreme"? Not sure how he calls his snake that is visually snow and hypo gray bands from the extreme line. Wasn't the pic below of his crop 2 years ago that we all agreed that the snow in the crop was indeed a pearl from extreme line since the bands are grey?

He later posted pic of that snow with grey bands. I think we all agreed that the grey bands must have come from the hypo line, thereby making it a pearl.

Whatcha think?

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RAY - "Laziness is nothing more than a habit of resting before getting tired!"

Those gray bands are now very yellow and it looks like any other Snow, but who knows test breeding could still prove it out. The yellow bands on most Snows are gray and they change to yellow over time.

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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Ray, That animal that Terry produced could be a pearl but only time will tell.Because the parents wheren't both hypos we really don't know.Just because it was showing the mega gene doesn't mean it was hypo.I have seen that gene expressed in normals,anerys etc......
To my knowlege Don has the only pearl ( or opal or what the heck ever they want to call the triple homo) that we know is 100% triple homo and it is showing the extremke gene to boot.

L8r

Dan:

Pretty snakes, but like others have said, there's no way to say for sure they are hybino based on what you described the parents had for genetics.

Also, the hybinos I have seen and the likely hybinos have actualy had the opposie of what you suspect. The bands are actually lighter in color - almost muted bu very clean. I produced a couple this year and will test breed them in two or three years to prove 'em out. I've atatched a couple pics.

The first is a likely hybino from 08.

The second is the mother of the clutch (who I suspect is a hybino) at one year.

And the third is a normal tangerine albino that is a clutchmate of the snake in my hand.