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These pictures are from early last year,
We plan on breeding her this year hope to get some stunning babies!

To me, that looks more like an anery than a lavender. Also looks a bit small to breed...do you know her weight?

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--Drew

I was kinda thinking the same thing about the snake being anery. But, I was thinking more like a ghost striped motley. But, who knows. I have heard that some lavenders can be very anery-looking....?

As far as the weight, I think they said that was an older pic. Some people breed early and some breed at 250g.

Where is the corn from (breeder)?
Did you see the parents?
Do you have a lavender to breed the snake to?
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

I sadly did not see her parents,
I believe i got her from Ben cole or ben sigel i cannot remember? they picked her up from some one else that same day... so i do not know if she will breed true. But she looks nothing like our other anery's and only a tid bit like the ghosts. We do not have another lav so we are just gunna breed her to the snow this year, what do you think i would get ?? She is over 250 grams now. that picture was from Jan. last year. Either way we will find out if she is a true lav or is a ghost because i have had my doubts as well. we will hope and see whats we get.

I usually lurk here, but since no one else answered...

Breeding to a snow is a good idea, if you get anery babies, you know she is anery or ghost. If you did breed her to a lavender and she is anery or ghost you'll get normal babies het laveder and anery.

Looks anery to me, lavenders do not have that much yellow on their chin and necks. Motley can make a normaly colored snake look more hypo.

Anerys have a HUGE variation in color, so you cannot really say she doesnt look like one until you've seen them all.
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

Yea thanks man. I talked with Bill love today and he explained all that to me. Then i was looking around and found what i got her in and it said lavender on it so i peeled off that sticker and low and behold a sticker underneath says, and i Quote "Abberant Motley Hypo Ghost" so this may clear things up... dont buy from Ben cole.... fourth time i have had something either miss labeled or sick...

Thanks again for all of your input guys/gals,

Ben Larner

lavs and ghosts can look the same....almost...at times....sort of....(is that vague enough)LOL...

I have mislabelled stuff too before....packing for a show and trying too much at once....see it at show and re-label....

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my first thought was ghosty too

and I made hundreds of lavenders.......
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That's an aney A motley/striped (possible) hypo animal, but definitely not a lavender.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

that looks to me to be a vanishing pattern anery motley. could be a ghost motley but i dont think its a lavander.
either way its a beutiful snake and a great example at that.
adam jeffery
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

I have to agree with all the above! This snake looks to be anery. or ghost motley or stripe! Jeff

P.S. the camera dosnt pick up her color very well. i will try to get a new picture if i can. and she is also 2 years old

That's a ghost motley and if it's a female, it's too small to safely breed this year.
Readiness to breed is based on size, not age.
So even at two years, not all female corns are ready to reproduce.

Tim

Third Eye

but at 2 years old the darn things will pay eggs anyways...even if it is just a couple.....I hate that, but they do it....
and I have gotten 15 good eggs from really small corns before....so why not?....

......other day my Ocean County stiped line coastal plains milksnake laid 8 little duds...I did not brumate her, it's really early, and I didn't want her to breed or lay another year....again....they just do it....just like they may or may not lay a second or even third clutch even if we try not to get it....

...good luck......cameras show wrong colors...but it still doesn't look lav....???
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Hey Tim, my females are almost never ready at two years! lol. I think I might have had a couple. I have noticed that if bred at 250g, the couple that I bred, didn't grow much the next year and stayed small. I prefer to not breed mine until 300g and 3 years. I dont power feed through the regular time. Only to get the weight on the females right after brumation and right after they have a clutch. That's just personal preference.

As for someone else's comments, How often has anyone had a corn snake triple clutch without you trying? I am sure it might happen, but I havent had that happen. I have had females double clutch all duds, when I did not want them to. As for the reasons "why not", again with what I have noticed, smaller females tend to egg bind and stay small. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who have way more experience out there than I do and not had any problems. I also know that some young snakes will try to clutch even if not bred. I would just prefer to not chance it. I know everyone has been through this debate before, so no reason for anyone to bite my head off. I am merely stating my opinion and experiences.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

To answer jyohe - if a snake drops a couple of infertile eggs or creates follicles and then reabsorbs them, I think it is far less stressful than laying a clutch of fertile eggs (which are larger than infertile eggs).

As for a coastal plains milk triple clutching, have you ever actually had that happen? Triple clutching is extraordinarily uncommon in corn snakes.

I'd also say that laying eggs without mating happens, but I wouldn't consider it the norm. I reckon there's thousands of people with pet female corn snakes that have never been bred and never have never laid eggs.

To answer Misty - I've seen a 50/50 split between females that are ready at two years (which more typically is 18 months, as many corns hatch in the Summer, but breed in the Spring) and those that are too small (in my opinion). It all depends on size, and this depends on the feeding schedule, as well as the individual snake's growth rate.

Tim

Tim - I forgot to mention the individual snakes' growth rate. Good point. I have siblings that one will be much larger than the others, on the same feeding schedule. So, I can vouch for that without a doubt
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

....what I used to read...and didn't agree with either...
that a clutch of duds is more stressful to the female than a good clutch.....didn't make sence to me either....I figure either way is albut the same actually......

yes I had 3 clutch corns

coastal plains milksnake ...not 3 ....just this one little 8 dud batch...first time ever for coastals here...didnt plan on breeding it......
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must be me....

...I also have usually bred my corns small so they actually stay small....the racks I use have small boxes,,,,so...I need 3 foot corns...not 4 foot corns....learned that trick as it were in 1991? when I met my first big breeder corn GOD.....(same boxes back then too)...

anyways......

yes I have had a couple different corns drop 3 and most drop 2.....the seconds tend to be duds...even when I breed for the second to be good...can't figure that out (last year)....should have been good eggs more...

had a sina-king-corn (I know,not corn) she dropped 3 good clutches all the time with even just one breeding I bet at the beginning, would eat any day ,even the day before laying or of ....would shed at any time not the normal shed then 10 days lay....she'd lay then shed even.....wierd little girl...3 foot too and less......and all her kids never looked the same...each was totally different color...

back to subject...

all up to them...as I just wrote in the ball forum...they asked so it's obvious they want to breed it....their choice....

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Yes, is indeed their choice. I just want to make sure they are aware of the pros, cons and things that must be considered.

A current picture of the said snake would be great too. May help with color determination as well.

About your hybrid, that is what is great about them. The variation in the babies. It is a very cool thing to see hatch, such a variety out of one clutch.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."