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More NA milks

snake_bit Feb 13, 2009 04:03 PM

These are some more of the snakes my buddy Paul brought over to the man cave last night for pics.

This pair is from eastern NE.
Glad Paul was holding them ,that biting male is huge

Annulata almost 20 years old




Eastern Kansas Syspilia
I hadn't seen this one since it was a hatchling and didnt think much of it at the time but when I saw this guy last night I flipped.Its bright orange and I love the high saddles on this.


Another from north eastern kansas



Thanks Paul
Hey Paul next time don't handle the mice before you pick up those big milks I think he thought you were a rat.
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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

Replies (11)

joecop Feb 13, 2009 07:01 PM

Very nice doug.

snake_bit Feb 13, 2009 07:16 PM


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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

joecop Feb 14, 2009 08:12 AM

Been busy with my own screw up. I had several snakes in the well pump room brumating. Well, being this is my first year brumating snakes and all, I did not check the humidity in there. Needless to say, I am dealing with four snakes with URI's at the moment. Good thing I was able to get my hands on some batryl from a high school friend who is a vet. (just ran into him the day after the discovery). Good timing.

daneby Feb 13, 2009 07:32 PM

Wow that old M.milk is sweet! obviously well cared for

Dan

snake_bit Feb 13, 2009 08:14 PM

and still producing


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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

terryd Feb 13, 2009 08:52 PM

Wow Doug,
Those Nebraska intergrades are unusual & stupendous looking.
Thanks for posting them, you don't see those around very often.

The 20 year old annulata dam is also very nice looking.

-Dell
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milksandbeer Feb 14, 2009 08:52 PM

Dell, Eastern NE snakes should be "pure" syspila, right?
Just wondering why you called them intergrades.

scott

Sunherp Feb 16, 2009 10:26 AM

The data (especially in Williams 1988) supports the idea of multistrataXsyspila in the Missouri River valley, with progressively more "pure" animals to the west (multistrata) and east (syspila).

-Cole

Thomas Co., NE
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terryd Feb 16, 2009 04:45 PM

Ditto on what Cole said. And I think it is easy to see the intergrade in them from the photos, w/ syspila being the stronger showing influence in those triangulum.

It would be nice of Doug to show a belly shot of them to see if they have any checkering like syspila can show.----Doug?
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snake_bit Feb 16, 2009 10:10 PM


This guy is the brighest ,cleanest one I have.

This is a male that never ate for me.He may have had the best pattern/ratio of white to red.No belly pics

The pic doesn't show it but he had a straw color tinge to his dorsal stripe.

Here is a real nice male

My big red head male

Female

Nice tongue

Cole or Dell would you scan that range map for me I only have the Peterson one.

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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

Dniles Feb 14, 2009 06:35 AM

Doug,

Great stuff. The fun never ends with your NA milk collection. I really like that Northern KS syspila. Very nice.

Dave
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