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Threw the eggs away today, they were all moldy and stinky. I am guessing they were not fertilized. I am going to take the other sav to the vet and have her/him sexed by a professional and maybe add another male to the group. Or not. It sucks the eggs were bad though. Balls.
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1.1 Savannah Monitors (Annah & Terrance)
1.1 Nile Monitor (Lyle)
1.0 Timor Monitor (Timmmmaaayy)
1.0 Blood Python (Kevin)
1.0 Ball Python (Martin)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (Bella)
2.0 Bearded Dragons (Peter & Jack)
1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake (Hector)
1.1 Kenyan Sand Boas (Wayne & Maude)
1.0 Dwarf Gecko (Little Girl)
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula (Pube)
1.0 OBT Usumbara Orange Baboon Tarantula (Sin)
1.0 Emperor Scorpion (Ashoka)
2.0 D. auratus (Poison Dart Frogs)

Not to worry- How's the girl doing? I'm really hoping she makes a full recovery, so you might have better luck next time!

Doing great, she savagely ate like 50 superworms yesterday in a matter of 2 minutes so I thought I'd try some mice again and she downed 3 full sized mice just like she used to smiley face.
I am still concerned about the bigger one picking on her. I am having a hard time deciding if I should separate them or not because one second they will be fine laying right next to/on top of each other and the next second they will be fighting like a bunch of hooligans. I had the girl in a temp. setup so she could get her strength back without worrying about fatso and put her back in recently and they were right back at it again.

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1.1 Savannah Monitors (Annah & Terrance)
1.1 Nile Monitor (Lyle)
1.0 Timor Monitor (Timmmmaaayy)
1.0 Blood Python (Kevin)
1.0 Ball Python (Martin)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (Bella)
2.0 Bearded Dragons (Peter & Jack)
1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake (Hector)
1.1 Kenyan Sand Boas (Wayne & Maude)
1.0 Dwarf Gecko (Little Girl)
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula (Pube)
1.0 OBT Usumbara Orange Baboon Tarantula (Sin)
1.0 Emperor Scorpion (Ashoka)
2.0 D. auratus (Poison Dart Frogs)
1.0 Peacock Bass (Gary)

Sorry the eggs went bad. With how they were all over on top of the substrate I am not surprised. Keep you chin up though. One of my 3 clutches of Argus eggs last year were all bad. The first clutch had a 100% hatch rate and the third clutch is still incubating after 150 days. Hopefully your next clutch will be good.

Ed
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Ed

Sorry about your eggs Dan.

Love that photo!
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Regards,
Wayne A. Harvey
Dances With Reptiles

1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cain" Rescued from a crack house
0.1.9 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (Eggs all hatched!)
1.3.13 Storeria dekayi - Brown Snakes Casper, Xena, Athena, Copper, Sharon & Kids
0.1.0 Thamnophis cyrtopsis Easter Black Neck Garter "MoJo"
0.2.0 Thamnophis ordinoides - Northwestern Gartersnake(Blue Phase)
1.1.0. Thamnophis elegans vagrans Wandering Garter
2.2.0 Thamnophis Sirtalis - Florida Blue stripe Garter
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern"Mutt"
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Het
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.4 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.7 Thamnophis sirtalis - Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.7 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided (R.I.P. little guy)
1.0.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue)
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC Pink eater!
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Sub-adult CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Getting Huge!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris"
0.1.0 Oscar (Astronotus ocellatus) - "Peach" (A Monitor with fins)
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
??.??.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish / Giant roaches
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

They look great...I see you have a Peacock bass I bet he is a blast.

Hi,

Judging by the bulbes on his nose, the big one is a male.
So I think you have a pair.

Jasper

[Judging by the bulbes on his nose, the big one is a male.
So I think you have a pair]

I agree, it 'looks' more male than the female, but is it really that simple?

Sorry about the eggs.
Watch having a vet or anyone probe them, its definitely not 100%, much more of a guess. Also being that they are not snakes probing doesnt work with them, and they can be permanently damaged if done wrong.
I have photos somewhere of eversions, and from several monitors I "popped" years ago from multiple species, of 3 species the females hemiclitori were just as long as the hemipenes of the larger males, and smaller males, one or 2 females everted longer than any of the males.
Sometimes it is very difficult to properly sex them, usually with young monitors everting happens alot on its own and it becomes easier to tell.

I am hoping that is the case and I have a pair, but I will just have to wait and see. The vet's guess is just as good as anyone else's. Now that I am more prepared for future eggs hopefully the next time around will be a success, given the bigger one is a male.

The Timor monitor is also a blast so far, He enjoys watching me just as much as I enjoy watching him, the only time he really freaks out is when I open up the cage, other than that he is always out in the open running about. He is not so keen on being handled yet, after chasing him around the cage if I can grab him he struggles to get free for about the first 2 min then he settles down, but I have only attempted handling him twice, since I don't want him to start connecting me with fear or starts to think every time he sees me I am going to try to grab him. He is still so tiny, about 3 or 4 inches, but he is smashing crickets every time I offer them.

I got the peacock bass yesterday, he is so awesome. he has fooled me into thinking he was dead/dying 3 times now, but now I know he is just a faker.
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1.1 Savannah Monitors (Annah & Terrance)
1.1 Nile Monitor (Lyle)
1.0 Timor Monitor (Timmmmaaayy)
1.0 Blood Python (Kevin)
1.0 Ball Python (Martin)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (Bella)
2.0 Bearded Dragons (Peter & Jack)
1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake (Hector)
1.1 Kenyan Sand Boas (Wayne & Maude)
1.0 Dwarf Gecko (Little Girl)
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula (Pube)
1.0 OBT Usumbara Orange Baboon Tarantula (Sin)
1.0 Emperor Scorpion (Ashoka)
2.0 D. auratus (Poison Dart Frogs)
1.0 Peacock Bass (Gary)

The only time my monitors have dropped eggs all over the place is when they don't like any of the possible nesting sites or when the eggs were infertile (i.e. no male was available). I would like to know how they know the eggs are infertile. Monitors are the cleverest reptiles and all but still I wouldn't expect them to know that weeks after the mating season....