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Here are two full siblings of Pantherophis bairdi nuevoleonensis. One is a brand new hatchling, and the other is a year older -- already ontogenetically changed into its slate gray head and maize-yellow body. This photo is about seven months old, and that yellow animal has gotten more red/orange since it was taken. Their parents are unrelated F1s -- the female is Galeana, Nuevo Leon locale, and the male is Chipinque Parque Ecologico locale (near Monterrey, Nuevo Leon), where the IHS field trip will be this summer.

Thanks for looking!

Dusty Rhoads
Suboc.com

I LOVE that snake!

Do you have any for sale?

Sarah
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

Hi, Thank you. I will be selling a great deal of my collection soon, but CAN'T let go of these. They're too NEAT!

I'll be pairing up my adults again soon. Because of the great records kept by the man I bought mine from, my F1 parentstock could possible be the only captive Nuevo Leon bairdi that are 100% locality-specific AND unrelated to each other. Definetely a prize corner of my collection. I love 'em.

Dusty.........Is that an animal from Alan Kardon stock? I know that Alan has done field collecting in the Galeana for other Mexican herps, especially deppei jani. The first Mexican Baird's that I ever saw was one of Alan Kardon's. It was pushing six feet and was quite impressive.......even for a Florida boy that has seen a lot of big yellows, grays, and Gulf Hammocks!...........Pic is of a "regular" Bairdi........LOL!

That snake is incredible Steve!!
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Randy Whittington

>>Dusty.........Is that an animal from Alan Kardon stock? I know that Alan has done field collecting in the Galeana for other Mexican herps, especially deppei jani. The first Mexican Baird's that I ever saw was one of Alan Kardon's. It was pushing six feet and was quite impressive.......even for a Florida boy that has seen a lot of big yellows, grays, and Gulf Hammocks!...........Pic is of a "regular" Bairdi........LOL!
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Steve, That is one AWESOME "regular" bairdi. Looks like one of the Hypos, except BETTER!! Ha! Yes, those two are half Alan Kardon-collected stock and half Steve Hammack-collected. Alan's came from Chipinque and Steve's from Galeana. Yes, my adult male is a MONSTER!! He eats and mates with a vengeance too.

Ok, mine looks something like that one, but darker. More warm brown & orange shades.
Again, I wonder about the locality of his parents, which I'll never know.

Matthew

Dusty,

DRAT!!! You would say that. You are keeping the subocs too, aren't you?

Matthew

>>Dusty,
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>> DRAT!!! You would say that. You are keeping the subocs too, aren't you?
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>> Matthew

Matthew, I am soon getting rid of a LOT of subocs. I'm doing grad school at the end of the year and just won't have the time.

Very nice.
It's impressive what a drastic change the mexican bairdi, especially from that area go through in such a short period of time.
If you can, post a recent shot of that yearling.
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Randy Whittington

>>Very nice.
>>It's impressive what a drastic change the mexican bairdi, especially from that area go through in such a short period of time.

You're right. Olson's paper on bairdi being elevated to species status described typical Texas specimens as having a slower color change than these are showing. I've seen that with my Texas animals too.

And they only get better with age! Shannon Brown has an adult Chipinque male over 15 years in age, and it's the most vibrant red-orange one I've seen of the species.

Dusty Rhoads
Suboc.com

Those are awesome, Dusty! Definately on my future 'gotta have' list.

-Toby
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Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

Hmm... I still remember having my *** kicked on this very forum, for suggesting the possibility that Mex and TX Baird's may be distinct enough to warrant differentiation on a subspecific of perhaps even specific level. Four years later, and now we have Pantherophis bairdi nuevoleonensis? Is this the acknowledged scientific name for Mex Baird's from now on, or just some proposal I haven't heard of?

No, I just felt like having fun with the nomenclature. LOL There's been no proposal or anything like that, to my knowledge. I wish there would be, though.

Ah, so it seems we're on the same page here.

Ok, that answers my question! LOL

Matthew

Is that a valid subspecies or just a color variety? I thought the mexican baird's were just natural morphs. Got to admit the grey head is cool..

Matthew

Mexican Bairds are very interesting and I agree in that they should be considered something different from Texas Bairds. This one is from the Fort Worth Zoo line.