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What is the difference? To ME it seems they are very close. I guess I always see possible jungles and pastels. Thanks for the info. Marshall

>>Pastel vs Jungle??
>>What is the difference? To ME it seems they are very close. I guess I always see possible jungles and pastels. Thanks for the info. Marshall

You asked this exact question before didn't you ?
Did you read the huge detailed answer I wrote out for you ?

>>Posted by: mbleek448 at Fri Feb 6 00:31:25 2009

>>First I don't know the gentics of either. In my eyes, They appear to be very close. Can someone explain the differences for me? Thanks for the info. Marshall Mauro

Pastel Boa,Term "Pastel" coined by Jeff Ronne As well as the appearance of Pastel in Boa Constrictors was identified by Jeff Ronne.
Below is Mr. Ronne's Definition of Pastel

A Pastel is this: A Boa that has an odd overall wash lacking the normal amount of black and a reduction in black pigmentation in particular throughout the pattern. This is particularly apparent in babies, which have the same kind of washed out pattern as Hypos. The saddles as well as the side blotches have less black than " normal ". In fact, often the side blotches have no black whatsoever. That's it, no more no less.
Pastel is a selectively bred polygenic trait.
Some People believe the Pastel trait has something to do with color. It really does not. The Pastel trait removes black pigment allowing the color underneath to be seen.
Plus in my opinion there are varying degrees of Pastel in Boas.
Although when yuou see a really nice Pastel Boa you know it is Pastel.

The Jungle Boa
Lars Brandle of Sweden was the first to produce Jungle Boas. Peter Kahl imported some of these into the states and continued to work with them. He identified the Jungle Boas as a Codominant trait. This means a Jungle Boa has 2 distinct appearances. 1 appearance for a "normal Jungle"(Heterozygous 1 normal gene, 1 mutant gene)Then there is a different appearance for the Super Jungle Boa (Homozygous 2 mutant genes). There are distinct visual differences in the two types. So to be a Jungle Boa it must come from the Swedish Bloodline as well as have identifiable Jungle Characteristics. There are many identifiable characteristics in Jungle boas. Not every Jungle has every characteristic though.
The number 1 most obvious characteristic is an aberrant pattern.Often extremely crazy striped or chain link type patterns exist. Also holes/circles can exist in the saddles pattern. Less aberrant Boas usually show degree of this not always.Then you have a dark thin border around tail blotches often body saddles have darker borders as well not as defined as tail.There most often is a Lateral to Dorsal color difference.A creamy buck skin type color Dorsally is quite common. With a distinct line of color that changes laterally.Unusual Dorsal Line head marking can be split or almost arrow like in shape and appearance.I've also always thought many baby Jungles appear to have an elongated head some what.
The best way to learn how to identify Jungle Boas would be to look at pictures of known Jungle(meaning from Swedish Line)or better yet look at them in person. Once you see a true solid Jungle you understand it looks like no other Boa type.Once you grasp that then you can start to form opinions about "Low Expression Jungles" and Salmon or Hypo Jungles.
Hope this helps

Pic of My '07 Jungle Het Albino Het stripe

Couple pics of Peter Kahls Jungles @ Tinley Park NARBC 2008

a Jungle Boa can also be Pastel with Pastel traits
this would make it a very clean
possibly colorful Jungle Boa

I've included a Link below to KS Boa Morph page.
It's in need of updating.
Kingsnake Boa Morphs
Also below link to Jungle story on Peter Kahl site

, . . . . Lar M

Jungle Boa Peter Kahl

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Thanks. I wasn't the one who asked before, but this was very helpful. Thanks M

Sorry Lar. My brother posted under my name

Glad this was helpful for you. Hope it clarifies the two traits a little better for you
Sorry I didn't put picture examples of the very best Pastel Boas to point out how they are defined by Jeff.

Someone must have signed in under your name on Fri Feb 6, LOL

>>Posted by: mbleek448 at Fri Feb 6 00:31:25 2009

>>First I don't know the gentics of either. In my eyes, They appear to be very close. Can someone explain the differences for me? Thanks for the info. Marshall Mauro

. . . Lar M
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Sorry my brother asked it under my name.

Its no problem at all it just freaked me out . The same question,LOL
You two guys been debating the subject maybe over the past few weeks ?

. . . Lar M
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How did your brother get your password ?

Lar covered it.

As stated pastel is a line bred/polymorphic trait and jungle is a morph. Jungles, in my limited knowledge, tend to have strong color differences in the laterals compared to the back, tend to have a 'peppered' line at the top of the lats, tend to have aberrent patterns, tend to have an open circle pattern in the arrow on the head, etc. They are variable and of course, can eventually produce super jungles which are even more impressive.

Here is my 'pastel' type boa, not from a known pastel line (I have no history, she was a rescue), reduced black in the saddles and no black on the side medallions, she has lots of color as a bonus

And here is a red group jungle boa:

You can see how they are somewhat similar but different.
Hope that helped a little.
-April

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Pastel is a color morph, Jungle is a pattern morph. I think ?