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Hi guys! I've had snakes for a long time now, but I've never gotten into breeding. Well, today I just paid for my first ball, a little spider girl. I don't intend to breed (if I do) for another 2-3 years, but I have a question.

What, if anything, can you breed a spider to that would land you something cool in the first set of hatchlings? Or will I just get hets if I try anything other than spider x spider?

Not looking to make any huge projects, just a hobby with a couple quality parents.

Spider are co-dominant, so there are no hets. When bred to a normal, 50% of your clutch should be spiders, 50% should be normals. When bred to another co-dominant animal, you can produce some great crosses.
Try a male pastel, pinstripe, cinny, black patel, mojave, lesser....
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Oooooooh okay, I get it. Awesome! Thanks.

I thought spiders were dominant, and co-doms were the ones with super forms?????
ANYONE, please enlighten me.....I am very familiar with recessives, but what is the difference between dom and co-dom?

Codominant mutant gene: You can always or almost always tell the difference between an animal with two copies of the mutant gene and an animal with a mutant gene paired with a normal gene. The animals with two copies of the mutant gene are the super forms.

Dominant mutant gene: The mutant gene produces the same effect whether there is a copy of the mutant gene paired with a normal gene or whether there are two copies of the mutant gene. In other words, there is no "super" form.

A = normal
a = recessive mutant gene

These produce three possible gene pairs:
AA = normal appearance
Aa = normal appearance (same as AA animals)
aa = mutant appearance

A = dominant mutant gene
a = normal

These produce three possible gene pairs:
AA = mutant appearance (same as Aa animals)
Aa = mutant appearance (same as AA animals)
aa = normal appearance

A = codominant mutant gene
a = normal

These produce three possible gene pairs:
AA = super appearance
Aa = mutant appearance but can be told from the supers
aa = normal appearance

Alternate meaning for dominant mutant gene: a mutant gene that is not a recessive mutant gene.

With spider, nobody has produced a snake with two copies of the spider mutant gene in the gene pair and proven it by breeding test. So nobody knows for sure whether spider is a dominant or a codominant mutant gene. So far the classification of spider as a dominant is just an unproven claim, or people are using the alternate meaning for dominant.

By the way, all gene pairs are either heterozygous or homozygous. A homozygous gene pair has two copies of the same gene. A heterozygous gene pair has one copy of two different genes. A spider ball pytnon with a gene pair containing a spider mutant gene and a normal gene is a heterozygous spider ball python.

Paul Hollander

Pastel x spider aka bumble bee is a beautiful snake

if you breed two spiders together the homozygous form of the trait is fatal if im not mistaken

OUCH on spider x spider. Thanks for the info. T_T;;;

Loving the look of Lesser Bees, myself.

anyone have a lesserbee pic to share? I don't think i've ever seen one.
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This is courage.. to bear unflinching what heaven sends. -unknown

2.0 chocolate lab (Harley) and basset (Capone)
0.1 leopard gecko (Nacho)
1.0 Normal ball python (Arwen)
1.0 pastel ball python (Merlin)
0.1 Spider ball python (Rogue)
1.0 Normal ball (Arwen)

NERD has a little gallery here-
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/ball-pythons/lesser-platinum-spider-ball-python.html

>>Pastel x spider aka bumble bee is a beautiful snake
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>>if you breed two spiders together the homozygous form of the trait is fatal if im not mistaken
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Who said that the homozygous form of the trait is fatal ?

There has never been proof of a homozygous form, doesn't mean the form is fatal.

Is there stats that prove that more eggs die or are less produced from spider x spider than anything else ?

btw : Since no "super form" was ever produced or proved, that mean the spider is more than anything else dominant than co-dom. But I think until we prove otherwise, both can be used.
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Here is a cross with a pastel called a Bumblebee,it is a pastel spider.

Another nice combo is the cinnamon pastel to a spider. You get normals, spiders, cinnamon pastels and cinnabees.

Oh i love the lesserbees.. I might be making me one of them..LOL
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This is courage.. to bear unflinching what heaven sends. -unknown

2.0 chocolate lab (Harley) and basset (Capone)
0.1 leopard gecko (Nacho)
1.0 Normal ball python (Arwen)
1.0 pastel ball python (Merlin)
0.1 Spider ball python (Rogue)
1.0 Normal ball (Arwen)