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i have a big (over 2000) female yellow belly ball ive had for three years since she was a hatchling. that i believe is gravid, that when i took hr out to clean her cage i noticed three spots on her that look like blisters there red and swollen maby a 1/4 inch long il try to get pics up soon and im worried about what they may bee i cleaned her cage and sterilized everything. does any one have any idea what it may be. any help would be appreciated sine the closest rep vet lives about 100 miles from ware i live id like to see if i can take care of it my self.
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

Pics would be helpful, if you have them!! I've heard of a parasite that can eat at them, but it's almost impossible to tell without photos, I would imagine.
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

il get pics up as soon as i can. i havent had any problems with mites or any other bugs. it almost looks like she got bitten by a rat but she looked good the last time i fed her.
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/photo.php?id=377208

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/photo.php?id=377207

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/photo.php?id=377206

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/photo.php?id=377205

ive just noticed smaller ones on my pastel bp
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

So for some reason I can only view one of the photos. But from what I can see, those don't look like wounds. Tell us some more about your husbandry. What is the substrate you are using, & what is your % humidity? What type of heat are you using? etc. Then we might be able to help more.

they're the first one's listed in the bp photo site right now.

Looks like scale rot 2 me. What substrate, humidity%?

if its scale rot how do you treat it?
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

First off, it is scale rot (I may be a vet-tech, but I am NO vet) you're going to want to take them off what ever bedding they may be on and out them on newspaper ASAP, and keep them on there till they are fully healed. The best home remedy I can recommend is to find Chlorhexidine or Chlorhexiderm Solution to gently scrub and soak the wounds in. I doubt you'll find this in drug stores, but I know you can readily get it off the internet. Do not use peroxide or alcohol as an alternative, it dries to fast and unlike Chlorhexi, is painful. Than you'll want to put a topical ointment on the affected areas. SSD or Silver Sulfadine (sp?) Cream is ideal, but I'm pretty sure you can only get that with a prescription. I would look around, but if no luck, you can just use Polysporine or a triple antibiotic ointment from a drug store.

Keep in mind though, this treatment is not ideal. Antibiotics are ideal. I do understand you're plight in there not being any reputable reptile vets near by, so I would try this and see if anyone else has any other recommendations that you can do from home. If it is scale rot, you seem to be in the early stages of it where the tips of scales are tinged with red/brown color, so this might help. If it doesn't get better or seems to worsen, I's make an appointment with a vet right away to get the right topicals and an injectable antibiotic. If it is not scale rot, what I have recommended cannot hurt them. I am just concerned because I have seen an external parasite that starts off as little red dots like that and they slowly become holes, and what I have recommended will probably not help.

Your sure its not a rat bite? No possible way it could be a rat bite? I guess it wouldn't matter cuz I would recommend the same.

Maybe someone can lend some of their pointers. Add something, take away something...
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

i thought it was a rat bite at first but when i notices more than one spot on her then found it on my other ball and looked closer i ruled that out.

so il have to order the Chlorhexidine? do you have any ware i can find it? would paper towls work as a beding tell there cleared up?
i read it helps to drop the humidity and use a smaller waterdish for now to prevent over soking. would you also recomend this?

im truly worried about my snakes, i lost 4 snakes last year do to my ac unit in the snake room malfunctioning and them overheating, and i dont think i could deal well with loosing these 2 snakes.
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

That really sucks, man. Like I said I work in an animal hospital, and I know all too well that loosing a pet can be one of the hardest experiences in your life. I've lost three snakes in my 6 years of herping, and it's not easy.

Chlorihexiderm Solution/Flush and Chlorhexidine are both sold on Amazon.com, I know this for a fact. I however don't know if it's the cheapest per say, but I know they probably do overnight stuff. And just by searching I found SSD at MedExSupply.com. You can google them all.

Paper Towels should work fine, by the way. Relax and don't panic yet. Keep us posted and let me know if you have any questions. If they have an behavioral problems, their scales really start to rot away, or they start refusing food (of course if this is not normal for them) don't hesitate to make that appointment with the Vet.
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

so i talked to the vet at the local pet store, and she set me up with chlorhexidine and silver sulfidine. how often should i treat the two sic animals and should i use the silver sulfidine on just the affected spots or over the whole snake? do i need to dilute the chlorhexidine? or is full strength what i should use?
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

I would clean them off with the Chlorhexi once a day, and keep the SSD on them once to twice a day only on the effected areas. The Chlorhexi should say on the bottle if it is pre-diluted or not, and I would go with that. If the vet gives you it in a separate bottle squirt bottle than what they buy it in, ask to see the original label or have them tell you what it says on the label for diluting instructions -- sometimes it comes already diluted, sometimes it doesn't, it depends.
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

Where are you located?
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

im located in Laramie WY
the closist rep vet is one a friend of mine uses in fort Colins CO which is about 80 miles from me.
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

im using shredded aspen, in IRIS cb-70 tubs, the humidity level is about 70%, im using a back heating system on timers that keeps the temps about 82 degrees with about a 5 degree gradient, the temp drops to around 74 at night, a large water dish for soaking. from what i can find in terms of husbandry there in fairly ideal.
any help would be appreciated

if you look at my user photos you should be able to view the other photos.
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits

illbeyoursoldier is correct - if it is the early stages of scale rot, the appropriate treatment would be a mild cleanser (Nolvasan etc.) and ideally SSD creme applied 1 to 2 times daily to the affected areas. I'd recommend only once daily, to minimize stress which can comprimise the immune system. SSD is also used for burns, so it is very soothing on the skin.

During treatment keep the snakes on paper & change it often. Heat and humidity can be maintained at normal levels. Use a smaller water dish to discourage soaking, and change water frequently to be sure the snakes are not dragging their medications through their water & then drinking it.

That being said, it's nearly impossible to differentiate bacterial from fungal infections at this stage. If the symptoms don't seem to be resolving within 7-10 days, it's time to switch gears & potentially see a vet. Of course if the lesions worsen, stop treatment. Keep us updated & we can offer more help if that occurs.

Thanks every one for your assistance i got them started on a treatment recommended by you. i called the closest hep vet i know just to give them a heads up il see in a week how the two of them are doing and decide if i need to take a road trip for my pets sake. il keep you all updated on progress
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1.2 sunglow motley het lav corns
1.0 ultramel motley corn
1.1 anery corn
1.1 okeetee corn
0.0.1 sunkised corn
0.1 hypo brooks
1.0 pastel ball
0.1 yellow belly ball
1.0 anery Honduran
0.1 hypo Honduran
0.0.1 amazon tree boa
1.0 redtail
0.0.1 cane toad
0.0.1 western toad
ASF colony
1.3 rats
ginger mouse colony
1.2 rex rabbits