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No one mentioned this but I requested a color sample and MSDS for the entire line. Yes I am aware they all have the same MSDS.

My reasoning is two part;
A. I would like to read/have the MSDS.
B. with the varing colors in the spectrum, vague colors like Red/Blue/Green don't actually do the product justice. I asked for color code, as well.

I will update this thread with my results.

Although thinking to myself this morning it is all together possible one could paint the entire interior with a color paint of their choosing. Than simply paint the clear Repti-Shield product over that.

Just a thought....forums slow gotta make my own conversation.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

Jeremy and forum guests,

I painted a larger piece of scrap plywood with black Repti-Shield, because I like to waste money apparently in my quest for knowledge.

Repti-Shield is kind of thick, the black reminds one of molasses. Stirring it helps with the consistency.

What I found was the product starts to cure quickly on the wood as I painted from left to right. By the time I got to the end of the larger piece, going back to the starting point was difficult due to the coating getting very sticky by then. If you have ever fiberglassed a surfboard, it is like that. Work quickly and move from one end to the other.

Just to test, I put some more on a few spots after those areas started gelling up. No big deal, it still worked, just really hard to paint due to the stickiness.

One coat on pine plywood may be pretty good for protection but shows all of the wood grain, just like polyurethane does. Two coats gave a more glossy lustre and a bit more smooth of a surface. Divots in the plywood filled in nicely. I imagine this product will flow into seams and make for a good seal.

I want to give the piece of wood I painted another few days before I start washing it, flexing it, etc to see how it holds up. Like I said before, this coating is much tougher than polyurethane but thinner than a coat of polyester resin or pour epoxy. Very shiny so it shows the texture and imperfections in the wood just like gloss paint does.

I dropped some on my garage floor. It works well on cement I found out! Ooh, a black garage floor. I wonder if it can coat foam fake rock?
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Mark

Very shiny so it shows the texture and imperfections in the wood just like gloss paint does.

That's what I was afraid of. Not my favorite look, although it does make it more cleanable.

I would love to try this stuff for the floor of my next project and then use the green contact paper I like so much for the walls. But then I can't silicone the edges where the contact paper walls meet the polyurea floor.

What was the mix ratio? Is it 1:1 or 2:1 like epoxy or is it a catalyst like polyester that you ad with a dropper?

My thoughts are that the product could be warmed up to help it flow out better but then mix in less catalyst so it does not gel up so quickly.

I still want to try this stuff but more and more it sounds like it's not ideal for what I have planned.
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

Is there anything to make you believe this would coat better when sprayed than painted?

I know Chris and I discussed hazards associated with the airborn solids, but the nature of a sprayed application leads me to think this may apply better sprayed. Although the thickness may be a concern.

No I don't have an HVLP gun or booth. I was just htinking out loud.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

No clue, although I think polyurea requires airless to it to vaporize sufficiently.
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

Looking forward to hearing what you find out.

I like the idea of putting the clear over the paint color of your choice. The one "problem" with that is that if you go over matte paint with a gloss clear you end up with a gloss finish. Maybe they have a matte or semi-gloss clear.

And by the way, from what I know of polyurea it should go over a paintable caulk just fine. I think you asked that question to Mark in a previous thread.

When used as a pond liner or truck bed liner the stuff and it's various blends are known for sticking to anything. The problems comes when one trys to get things to stick to the cured coat -- nothing does.

One mountain bike company is painting their carbon fiber bikes with a matte polyurea blend. Customers are finding that they can't stick clearbra or any sort of sticker to it.

Of course this has advantages when it comes to reptile enclosures, obviously.
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

Looking forward to hearing what you find out.

So far my inquirey has been sent to their PIM. Waiting to see what comes back.

The one "problem" with that is that if you go over matte paint with a gloss clear you end up with a gloss finish.

90% agree but the other 10% can be affected to a point by the color underneath. A matte earth tone covered with a gloss clear coat will have a lesser luster apearance than say a Gloss Black.

Maybe they have a matte or semi-gloss clear.

From what I'm seeing in the traffic, this is a side project so we may see changes as the product sells well or if not we may see things fad away. Either way we are bound to see changes. I will inquire.

polyurea should go over a paintable caulk just fine. I think you asked that question to Mark in a previous thread.

I did and assumed it would but thought to inquire anyways.

Of course this has advantages when it comes to reptile enclosures, obviously.

Agreed!

Depending on what I hear or discuss with the PIM, I may make a purchase. I have a small melamine test cage I built years go, would be interesting to test a corner and test a ply setup as well.

Getting back to your inquiry of building a ply cage for my big females. I bet I have more HC doors than you atm...so that was my actual intended use. I've been collecting doors for awhile now, got myself a Solid Oak 36" door last week, weighs about 125lbs...

Cheers
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

Cool. Maybe I'll just wait until you come down and you can build my cages. Nah, scratch that. We'll go hiking.

BTW, I think I have nine HC doors that are no longer being used in our house. Of course four of those I'm using for my outfeed table, assembly table and temporary office desk.

Remodeling is a pain!
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

Cool. Maybe I'll just wait until you come down and you can build my cages. Nah, scratch that. We'll go hiking.

Well I will have an MT pickup bed....

Remodeling is a pain!

You betcha!
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

Well I will have an MT pickup bed....

In that case we'll put our heads together and build both of our cages. You can haul yours back, along with more hollow core doors.

Nah, I'd still rather go hiking.

But back to the point at hand, I'm starting to lean towards an epoxy floor and the first 8" of wall. Then I'll line the walls and ceiling with vinyl film and then put contact paper over that. The junction between the film and floor will get silicone.
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

Nah, I'd still rather go hiking.

I think we are all suffering cabin fever....!

I'm starting to lean towards an epoxy floor and the first 8" of wall. Then I'll line the walls and ceiling with vinyl film and then put contact paper over that. The junction between the film and floor will get silicone.

Many you bounce around to much...LOL
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

If I were buying this stuff, only two things to look for on the label.

1: Is this product tested on animals, like almost all sealants,paint products on the market?

2: Are animal by-products used in producing this or is it all plant based?

Mike

>>If I were buying this stuff, only two things to look for on the label.
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>>1: Is this product tested on animals, like almost all sealants,paint products on the market?
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>>2: Are animal by-products used in producing this or is it all plant based?
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>>Mike

I can definitely look for that and ask. But I'm curious as to what answer your looking for.

You said if your where buying but didn't leave any speculations as to what answer would prevent you from doing so.

No offense but some products require testing on animals, my steak knife for one was tested on a T-Bone last week.

Sorry
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

Not looking for answers, just my opinion on sealant, paint products. I don't use anything in my home that's not plant based and natural. Have you guys tried "milk paint" for backgrounds, etc? Mix any color you want and cleans up with water. Can be sealed with a water based "natural" product that's safe for kitchen wood utensils and cutting boards.

Mike

*snip

Looks like they went home for the weekend...
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic